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From: Petr Baudis <pasky@suse.cz>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Cogito is for sale
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:46:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070419124648.GL4489@pasky.or.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704180851060.2828@woody.linux-foundation.org>

On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 06:07:55PM CEST, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Actually, at this stage, I really think cogito just *complicates* git 
> usage. It hasn't been well-supported lately, and asking for help with 
> cogito means that a lot of people can't help you. And you still end up 
> using git commands for anything fancier.

And at this stage, I actually rather agree.

I've been torn apart about this for few weeks now, struggling to get
some time (and strong motivation) to dive through the dusty cogito
patchqueues etc., and wondering what to actually *do* about Cogito.
I have been actually inclined to, hmm, "phase out" Cogito for some time
already, but then always some very nice mail from a Cogito user comes
and throws me in doubts. But this thread pushed me over the edge.  ;-)

I agree that by now, the situation is too confusing and while I'm not
happy with everything in Git, I believe that by now the best way is to
just fix Git. Therefore, I'm announcing that I don't plan to add any (at
least any significant) new features to Cogito. Sorry to all the Cogito
users, it is a hard decision for me, but by now I believe that it is
much more effective to just focus on Git.

If anyone else wants to take over Cogito maintainership, you're most
welcome: let me know, please! The "patch queue" means just filtering
=git mailbox, but I have some WIP code to add the .git/config "remotes"
support to Cogito, if you are interested.

Until someone else steps out to maintain Cogito, I'm not going to
abandon Cogito absolutely. I still plan to dive through the patch queue
as soon as possible and then continue integrating bugfixes and/or
smaller-scale changes necessary for newer Git versions. I'll maybe also
write a trivial more-or-less 1:1 cg->git porcelain wrapper for those
who trained their fingers to 'cg' instead of 'git'; but maybe it's best
just to retrain. ;-)


About git homepage:

The very least I wanted to do at any rate with git.or.cz ASAP is to
switch the crash courses to git-oriented ones too. I think git more or
less got to a reasonable point when this is a sane idea. Do you have any
tips on exactly what zero-level introductory material I should put there
instead of the Cogito crash courses, or should we write new ones
(perhaps based on the current ones)? I probably won't have much time to
write a lot of stuff, but I'll gladly use whatever reasonable anyone
suggests/writes, and I have no qualms to just give well-known people
push access to the homepage repository.

Live and prosper,

-- 
				Petr "Pasky" Baudis
Stuff: http://pasky.or.cz/
Ever try. Ever fail. No matter. // Try again. Fail again. Fail better.
		-- Samuel Beckett

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-19 12:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-17  9:02 GIT vs Other: Need argument Pietro Mascagni
2007-04-17  9:13 ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-17 10:26   ` Andy Parkins
2007-04-17 14:32     ` Alex Riesen
2007-04-17 10:37   ` Martin Langhoff
2007-04-17 15:28   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-17 17:07     ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-17 10:33 ` Martin Langhoff
2007-04-17 14:39   ` Alex Riesen
2007-04-25  8:58     ` Dana How
2007-04-25 10:35       ` Alex Riesen
2007-04-17 10:45 ` Tomash Brechko
2007-04-17 15:41   ` Guilhem Bonnefille
2007-04-17 17:18     ` Andy Parkins
2007-04-17 17:30       ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-04-17 19:36         ` Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-18 10:05           ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-18 16:07             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-18 16:31               ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-18 16:49               ` Bill Lear
2007-04-18 17:43                 ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-18 17:50                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-19 13:16                     ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-19 18:44                       ` Petr Baudis
2007-04-20  9:04                         ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-18 20:57                   ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-18 20:08               ` Guilhem Bonnefille
2007-04-18 20:19                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-18 21:45                   ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-18 21:21                 ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-04-19  8:37                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 13:29                   ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-19  9:24               ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 12:21                 ` Alex Riesen
2007-04-19 12:22                 ` Christian MICHON
2007-04-19 12:37                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 12:54                     ` Christian MICHON
2007-04-19 16:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-19 17:49                   ` Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-19 20:57                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-23 18:54                       ` Carl Worth
2007-04-23 19:52                         ` Josef Weidendorfer
2007-04-23 22:12                           ` Carl Worth
2007-04-23 22:23                         ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-23 22:58                           ` Carl Worth
2007-04-23 23:24                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-23 23:55                               ` Brian Gernhardt
2007-04-24  1:31                               ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-24  5:15                               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-24 14:23                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-24 15:01                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30  4:31                                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-25 13:12                                 ` Making git disappear when talking about my code (was: Re: GIT vs Other: Need argument) Carl Worth
2007-04-25 14:09                                   ` Carl Worth
2007-04-25 14:55                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 16:28                                       ` Carl Worth
2007-04-25 18:07                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-25 19:03                                           ` Carl Worth
2007-04-25 19:17                                             ` Making git disappear when talking about my code Junio C Hamano
2007-04-25 19:22                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-25 20:26                                               ` Carl Worth
2007-04-25 20:23                                             ` Making git disappear when talking about my code (was: Re: GIT vs Other: Need argument) Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-25 14:51                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 19:44                                   ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-25 19:56                                     ` Making git disappear when talking about my code Junio C Hamano
2007-04-25 20:29                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 20:32                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-25 21:38                                       ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-25 20:29                                     ` Making git disappear when talking about my code (was: Re: GIT vs Other: Need argument) Carl Worth
2007-04-25 22:39                                       ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-25 20:31                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-23 23:22                         ` GIT vs Other: Need argument Junio C Hamano
2007-04-19 20:49                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-20 15:54                   ` History cleanup/rewriting script for git Jan Harkes
2007-04-20 18:39                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-20 18:44                       ` Petr Baudis
2007-04-20 20:36                       ` Jan Harkes
2007-04-19 12:15               ` GIT vs Other: Need argument Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-19 12:33                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 12:42                   ` Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-19 13:36                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 14:27                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-19 12:45                   ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-19 12:46               ` Petr Baudis [this message]
2007-04-19 13:32                 ` [ANNOUNCE] Cogito is for sale Matthieu Moy
2007-04-19 20:23                 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-19 20:42                   ` Johannes Schindelin
     [not found]             ` <1176984208.30690.18.camel@cauchy.softax.local>
2007-04-19 12:28               ` GIT vs Other: Need argument Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 12:37                 ` Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-19 13:32                   ` Johannes Schindelin
     [not found]           ` <200704172239.20124.andyparkins@gmail.com>
2007-04-19 11:59             ` Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-19 12:48               ` Alex Riesen
2007-04-19 12:57               ` Andy Parkins
2007-04-20  6:22               ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-04-20 13:03                 ` Eric Blake
2007-04-18 12:40       ` Guilhem Bonnefille
2007-04-18 13:26         ` Andy Parkins
2007-04-18 17:08           ` Steven Grimm
2007-04-19  0:33             ` Jakub Narebski
2007-04-19  1:24               ` Steven Grimm
2007-04-19  2:08                 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-04-19  8:48                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19  8:57                     ` Julian Phillips
2007-04-19 19:03                     ` Steven Grimm
2007-04-19 21:00                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19  2:11                 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-19  6:02                   ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-19 18:18                     ` Steven Grimm
2007-04-19 23:30                       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-20  5:32                         ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-04-20  9:04                         ` Jakub Narebski
2007-04-20 10:18                         ` Karl Hasselström
2007-04-20 10:39                           ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-20 13:57                             ` Petr Baudis
2007-04-20  8:36                       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-20 16:42                         ` Steven Grimm
2007-04-18 20:54           ` Yann Dirson
2007-04-18  3:09     ` Sam Vilain
2007-04-18 20:49   ` Yann Dirson
2007-04-25  8:55   ` Dana How

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