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From: Marcin Kasperski <Marcin.Kasperski@softax.pl>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Marcin Kasperski <Marcin.Kasperski@softax.com.pl>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: GIT vs Other: Need argument
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:15:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1176984945.30690.30.camel@cauchy.softax.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704180851060.2828@woody.linux-foundation.org>


> Actually, at this stage, I really think cogito just *complicates* git 
> usage. 

Agreed.

> So I don't think it's even true that new people should be pointed at cg 
> any more.

Google points to git.or.cz ;-)

> But compare setting up a git repository with setting up a CVS repository.
> With git, it's literally "git init", and you're done. No need to worry 
> about CVSROOT issues etc. Everything is self-contained. CVS is *hard* to 
> get into, by comparison.

I am in no way advocating CVS, but to be fair in such comparison, one
should mention also effort of *publishing* git repository and making it
available to remote clients. Initialized and configured CVS (or
subversion, or perforce, or ...) repo is something ready to be used by
remote clients.

Getting correct ssh keys in correct places is - for instance -
noticeable problem for many people. Especially if they use clients
(like plink) which natively use alternative key save format. Etc...

> So people coming from CVS/SVN have a double shock: they are supposed to 
> learn things that they "know" are hard (because CVS/SVN made them so damn 
> hard - don't tell me that SVN branching is easy, because it is *not* easy. 

The way SVN implemented branching (and tagging!) simply killed the idea
of using this tool seriously. IMO. Let's leave it.

I agree that git introduces plenty of excellent concepts. What it needs
is better docs (also, clearly known **SINGLE** master doc, just sth like
subversion book), cleaned command line interface (I feel that there are
just too many lowlevel commands visible for beginning user, maybe at
least one could split them into git-* for mere mortals and gitadm-* for
repository hackers), portability, and finally GUI.

				Best regards

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-19 12:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-17  9:02 GIT vs Other: Need argument Pietro Mascagni
2007-04-17  9:13 ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-17 10:26   ` Andy Parkins
2007-04-17 14:32     ` Alex Riesen
2007-04-17 10:37   ` Martin Langhoff
2007-04-17 15:28   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-17 17:07     ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-17 10:33 ` Martin Langhoff
2007-04-17 14:39   ` Alex Riesen
2007-04-25  8:58     ` Dana How
2007-04-25 10:35       ` Alex Riesen
2007-04-17 10:45 ` Tomash Brechko
2007-04-17 15:41   ` Guilhem Bonnefille
2007-04-17 17:18     ` Andy Parkins
2007-04-17 17:30       ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-04-17 19:36         ` Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-18 10:05           ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-18 16:07             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-18 16:31               ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-18 16:49               ` Bill Lear
2007-04-18 17:43                 ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-18 17:50                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-19 13:16                     ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-19 18:44                       ` Petr Baudis
2007-04-20  9:04                         ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-18 20:57                   ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-18 20:08               ` Guilhem Bonnefille
2007-04-18 20:19                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-18 21:45                   ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-18 21:21                 ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-04-19  8:37                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 13:29                   ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-19  9:24               ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 12:21                 ` Alex Riesen
2007-04-19 12:22                 ` Christian MICHON
2007-04-19 12:37                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 12:54                     ` Christian MICHON
2007-04-19 16:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-19 17:49                   ` Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-19 20:57                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-23 18:54                       ` Carl Worth
2007-04-23 19:52                         ` Josef Weidendorfer
2007-04-23 22:12                           ` Carl Worth
2007-04-23 22:23                         ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-23 22:58                           ` Carl Worth
2007-04-23 23:24                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-23 23:55                               ` Brian Gernhardt
2007-04-24  1:31                               ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-24  5:15                               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-24 14:23                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-24 15:01                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30  4:31                                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-25 13:12                                 ` Making git disappear when talking about my code (was: Re: GIT vs Other: Need argument) Carl Worth
2007-04-25 14:09                                   ` Carl Worth
2007-04-25 14:55                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 16:28                                       ` Carl Worth
2007-04-25 18:07                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-25 19:03                                           ` Carl Worth
2007-04-25 19:17                                             ` Making git disappear when talking about my code Junio C Hamano
2007-04-25 19:22                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-25 20:26                                               ` Carl Worth
2007-04-25 20:23                                             ` Making git disappear when talking about my code (was: Re: GIT vs Other: Need argument) Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-25 14:51                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 19:44                                   ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-25 19:56                                     ` Making git disappear when talking about my code Junio C Hamano
2007-04-25 20:29                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 20:32                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-25 21:38                                       ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-25 20:29                                     ` Making git disappear when talking about my code (was: Re: GIT vs Other: Need argument) Carl Worth
2007-04-25 22:39                                       ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-25 20:31                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-23 23:22                         ` GIT vs Other: Need argument Junio C Hamano
2007-04-19 20:49                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-20 15:54                   ` History cleanup/rewriting script for git Jan Harkes
2007-04-20 18:39                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-20 18:44                       ` Petr Baudis
2007-04-20 20:36                       ` Jan Harkes
2007-04-19 12:15               ` Marcin Kasperski [this message]
2007-04-19 12:33                 ` GIT vs Other: Need argument Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 12:42                   ` Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-19 13:36                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 14:27                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-19 12:45                   ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-19 12:46               ` [ANNOUNCE] Cogito is for sale Petr Baudis
2007-04-19 13:32                 ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-19 20:23                 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-19 20:42                   ` Johannes Schindelin
     [not found]             ` <1176984208.30690.18.camel@cauchy.softax.local>
2007-04-19 12:28               ` GIT vs Other: Need argument Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 12:37                 ` Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-19 13:32                   ` Johannes Schindelin
     [not found]           ` <200704172239.20124.andyparkins@gmail.com>
2007-04-19 11:59             ` Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-19 12:48               ` Alex Riesen
2007-04-19 12:57               ` Andy Parkins
2007-04-20  6:22               ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-04-20 13:03                 ` Eric Blake
2007-04-18 12:40       ` Guilhem Bonnefille
2007-04-18 13:26         ` Andy Parkins
2007-04-18 17:08           ` Steven Grimm
2007-04-19  0:33             ` Jakub Narebski
2007-04-19  1:24               ` Steven Grimm
2007-04-19  2:08                 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-04-19  8:48                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19  8:57                     ` Julian Phillips
2007-04-19 19:03                     ` Steven Grimm
2007-04-19 21:00                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19  2:11                 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-19  6:02                   ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-19 18:18                     ` Steven Grimm
2007-04-19 23:30                       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-20  5:32                         ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-04-20  9:04                         ` Jakub Narebski
2007-04-20 10:18                         ` Karl Hasselström
2007-04-20 10:39                           ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-20 13:57                             ` Petr Baudis
2007-04-20  8:36                       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-20 16:42                         ` Steven Grimm
2007-04-18 20:54           ` Yann Dirson
2007-04-18  3:09     ` Sam Vilain
2007-04-18 20:49   ` Yann Dirson
2007-04-25  8:55   ` Dana How

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