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From: Bill Lear <rael@zopyra.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Marcin Kasperski <Marcin.Kasperski@softax.com.pl>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: GIT vs Other: Need argument
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:49:47 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <17958.19499.813637.324723@lisa.zopyra.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704180851060.2828@woody.linux-foundation.org>

On Wednesday, April 18, 2007 at 09:07:55 (-0700) Linus Torvalds writes:
>...
>Actually, at this stage, I really think cogito just *complicates* git 
>usage. ...

As a relative newbie to git, I agree.  At our company, we did not even
seriously consider using cogito.  Just easier to jump right in to the
frosty waters.

>What _is_ true is that git is simply different from CVS. I don't think 
>it's necessarily harder to understand or use (in fact, I would argue that 
>git is a lot _easier_ to understand), but it is *different*, and it has a 
>ton more capabilities.

Well, differences can lead to difficulties.

Here are a few of the differential difficulties we have faced:

1) There seems to be an innate desire on our part to just "update this
branch from that one on that repository".  We have been caught several
times pulling onto the wrong branch, pushing onto the wrong one,
because we assumed the behavior of push/pull was "update this branch,
the one I am on right now, and ONLY this branch", but what we got was
a cross-branch merge.  Coming from a CVS background, and there not
having "undo" very easy, this caused severe stress.  Easy enough to
undo, once we understood, but does not obviate the stress.

2) Addressing of branches.  When to use bare 'git pull/push', when to
use 'git pull/push branch' when to use 'git pull/push branch:branch',
have been continually confusing to us.

3) Funkiness of non-bare repos ---- we really got stung trying to push
into one.  Seemed like it took us days to figure out what was going
on.

4) Near disaster using git with ssh to push to our company repo.  In
our company, we have a very loosy-goosy IT group.  We started using
git with ssh and had serious permissions problems.  If we had used the
git protocol from the start, that would have avoided this mess, but
support for that came too late.

Git has gotten much better than when we started with it just at the
beginning of this year.  Remote support, branch tracking, lots of
stuff has gotten much, much better.

I could go on and on about the good things, but it is important to
caution --- not frighten --- newbies with tales from others who have
been stung.


Bill

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-18 16:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-17  9:02 GIT vs Other: Need argument Pietro Mascagni
2007-04-17  9:13 ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-17 10:26   ` Andy Parkins
2007-04-17 14:32     ` Alex Riesen
2007-04-17 10:37   ` Martin Langhoff
2007-04-17 15:28   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-17 17:07     ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-17 10:33 ` Martin Langhoff
2007-04-17 14:39   ` Alex Riesen
2007-04-25  8:58     ` Dana How
2007-04-25 10:35       ` Alex Riesen
2007-04-17 10:45 ` Tomash Brechko
2007-04-17 15:41   ` Guilhem Bonnefille
2007-04-17 17:18     ` Andy Parkins
2007-04-17 17:30       ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-04-17 19:36         ` Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-18 10:05           ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-18 16:07             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-18 16:31               ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-18 16:49               ` Bill Lear [this message]
2007-04-18 17:43                 ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-18 17:50                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-19 13:16                     ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-19 18:44                       ` Petr Baudis
2007-04-20  9:04                         ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-18 20:57                   ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-18 20:08               ` Guilhem Bonnefille
2007-04-18 20:19                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-18 21:45                   ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-18 21:21                 ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-04-19  8:37                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 13:29                   ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-19  9:24               ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 12:21                 ` Alex Riesen
2007-04-19 12:22                 ` Christian MICHON
2007-04-19 12:37                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 12:54                     ` Christian MICHON
2007-04-19 16:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-19 17:49                   ` Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-19 20:57                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-23 18:54                       ` Carl Worth
2007-04-23 19:52                         ` Josef Weidendorfer
2007-04-23 22:12                           ` Carl Worth
2007-04-23 22:23                         ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-23 22:58                           ` Carl Worth
2007-04-23 23:24                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-23 23:55                               ` Brian Gernhardt
2007-04-24  1:31                               ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-24  5:15                               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-24 14:23                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-24 15:01                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30  4:31                                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-25 13:12                                 ` Making git disappear when talking about my code (was: Re: GIT vs Other: Need argument) Carl Worth
2007-04-25 14:09                                   ` Carl Worth
2007-04-25 14:55                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 16:28                                       ` Carl Worth
2007-04-25 18:07                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-25 19:03                                           ` Carl Worth
2007-04-25 19:17                                             ` Making git disappear when talking about my code Junio C Hamano
2007-04-25 19:22                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-25 20:26                                               ` Carl Worth
2007-04-25 20:23                                             ` Making git disappear when talking about my code (was: Re: GIT vs Other: Need argument) Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-25 14:51                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 19:44                                   ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-25 19:56                                     ` Making git disappear when talking about my code Junio C Hamano
2007-04-25 20:29                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 20:32                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-25 21:38                                       ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-25 20:29                                     ` Making git disappear when talking about my code (was: Re: GIT vs Other: Need argument) Carl Worth
2007-04-25 22:39                                       ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-25 20:31                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-23 23:22                         ` GIT vs Other: Need argument Junio C Hamano
2007-04-19 20:49                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-20 15:54                   ` History cleanup/rewriting script for git Jan Harkes
2007-04-20 18:39                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-20 18:44                       ` Petr Baudis
2007-04-20 20:36                       ` Jan Harkes
2007-04-19 12:15               ` GIT vs Other: Need argument Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-19 12:33                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 12:42                   ` Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-19 13:36                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 14:27                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-19 12:45                   ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-19 12:46               ` [ANNOUNCE] Cogito is for sale Petr Baudis
2007-04-19 13:32                 ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-19 20:23                 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-19 20:42                   ` Johannes Schindelin
     [not found]             ` <1176984208.30690.18.camel@cauchy.softax.local>
2007-04-19 12:28               ` GIT vs Other: Need argument Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 12:37                 ` Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-19 13:32                   ` Johannes Schindelin
     [not found]           ` <200704172239.20124.andyparkins@gmail.com>
2007-04-19 11:59             ` Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-19 12:48               ` Alex Riesen
2007-04-19 12:57               ` Andy Parkins
2007-04-20  6:22               ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-04-20 13:03                 ` Eric Blake
2007-04-18 12:40       ` Guilhem Bonnefille
2007-04-18 13:26         ` Andy Parkins
2007-04-18 17:08           ` Steven Grimm
2007-04-19  0:33             ` Jakub Narebski
2007-04-19  1:24               ` Steven Grimm
2007-04-19  2:08                 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-04-19  8:48                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19  8:57                     ` Julian Phillips
2007-04-19 19:03                     ` Steven Grimm
2007-04-19 21:00                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19  2:11                 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-19  6:02                   ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-19 18:18                     ` Steven Grimm
2007-04-19 23:30                       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-20  5:32                         ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-04-20  9:04                         ` Jakub Narebski
2007-04-20 10:18                         ` Karl Hasselström
2007-04-20 10:39                           ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-20 13:57                             ` Petr Baudis
2007-04-20  8:36                       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-20 16:42                         ` Steven Grimm
2007-04-18 20:54           ` Yann Dirson
2007-04-18  3:09     ` Sam Vilain
2007-04-18 20:49   ` Yann Dirson
2007-04-25  8:55   ` Dana How

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