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From: Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>
To: "Derrick Stolee" <stolee@gmail.com>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Lars Schneider" <larsxschneider@gmail.com>
Cc: git <git@vger.kernel.org>, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	Duy Nguyen <pclouds@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: worktrees vs. alternates
Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 10:58:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0f19f9f8-d215-622e-5090-1341c013babc@linuxfoundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fc2f1fdf-222f-aaee-9d58-aae8692920f5@gmail.com>


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On 05/16/18 09:02, Derrick Stolee wrote:
> This is the biggest difference. You cannot have the same ref checked out
> in multiple worktrees, as they both may edit that ref. The alternates
> allow you to share data in a "read only" fashion. If you have one repo
> that is the "base" repo that manages that objects dir, then that is
> probably a good way to reduce the duplication. I'm not familiar with
> what happens when a "child" repo does 'git gc' or 'git repack', will it
> delete the local objects that is sees exist in the alternate?

The parent repo is not keeping track of any other repositories that may
be using it for alternates, which is why you basically:

1. never run auto-gc in the parent repo
2. repack it manually using -Ad to keep loose objects that other repos
may be borrowing (but we don't know if they are)
3. never prune the parent repo, because this may delete objects other
repos are borrowing

Very infrequently you may consider this extra set of maintenance steps:

1. Find every repo mentioning the parent repository in their alternates
2. Repack them without the -l switch (which copies all the borrowed
objects into those repos)
3. Once all child repos have been repacked this way, prune the parent
repo (it's safe now)
4. Repack child repos again, this time with the -l flag, to get your
savings back.

I would heartily love a way to teach git-repack to recognize when an
object it's borrowing from the parent repo is in danger of being pruned.
The cheapest way of doing this would probably be to hardlink loose
objects into its own objects directory and only consider "safe" objects
those that are part of the parent repository's pack. This should make
alternates a lot safer, just in case git-prune happens to run by accident.

> GVFS uses alternates in this same way: we create a drive-wide "shared
> object cache" that GVFS manages. We put our prefetch packs filled with
> commits and trees in there, and any loose objects that are downloaded
> via the object virtualization are placed as loose objects in the
> alternate. We also store the multi-pack-index and commit-graph in that
> alternate. This means that the only objects in each src dir are those
> created by the developer doing their normal work.

I'm very interested in GVFS, because it would certainly make my life
easier maintaining source.codeaurora.org, which is many thousands of
repos that are mostly forks of the same stuff. However, GVFS appears to
only exist for Windows (hint-hint, nudge-nudge). :)

Best,
-- 
Konstantin Ryabitsev
Director, IT Infrastructure Security
The Linux Foundation


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  reply	other threads:[~2018-05-16 14:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-16  8:13 worktrees vs. alternates Lars Schneider
2018-05-16  9:29 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-16  9:42   ` Robert P. J. Day
2018-05-16 11:07     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-16  9:51   ` Lars Schneider
2018-05-16 10:33     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-16 13:02       ` Derrick Stolee
2018-05-16 14:58         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev [this message]
2018-05-16 15:34           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-16 15:49             ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-05-16 17:54               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-16 17:14           ` Martin Fick
2018-05-16 17:41             ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-05-16 18:02               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-05-16 18:12                 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-05-16 18:26                   ` Martin Fick
2018-05-16 19:01                     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-05-16 19:03                       ` Martin Fick
2018-05-16 19:11                         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-05-16 19:18                           ` Martin Fick
2018-05-16 19:23                       ` Jeff King
2018-05-16 19:29                         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-05-16 19:37                           ` Jeff King
2018-05-16 19:40                             ` Martin Fick
2018-05-16 20:06                               ` Jeff King
2018-05-16 20:43                                 ` Martin Fick
2018-05-16 20:02                             ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2018-05-16 20:17                               ` Jeff King
2018-05-17  0:43                               ` Sitaram Chamarty
2018-05-17  3:31                                 ` Jeff King
2018-05-19  5:45                                   ` Duy Nguyen
2018-05-16 19:14           ` Jeff King
2018-05-16 21:18             ` Stefan Beller
2018-05-16 23:45               ` Jeff King

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