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From: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: dberlin@dberlin.org, ismail@pardus.org.tr, gcc@gcc.gnu.org,
	     git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Git and GCC
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:57:06 +0000 (GMT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0712061150590.27959@racer.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071205.185203.262588544.davem@davemloft.net>

Hi,

On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, David Miller wrote:

> From: "Daniel Berlin" <dberlin@dberlin.org>
> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:41:19 -0500
> 
> > It is true I gave up quickly, but this is mainly because i don't like 
> > to fight with my tools.
> >
> > I am quite fine with a distributed workflow, I now use 8 or so gcc 
> > branches in mercurial (auto synced from svn) and merge a lot between 
> > them. I wanted to see if git would sanely let me manage the commits 
> > back to svn.  After fighting with it, i gave up and just wrote a 
> > python extension to hg that lets me commit non-svn changesets back to 
> > svn directly from hg.
> 
> I find it ironic that you were even willing to write tools to facilitate 
> your hg based gcc workflow.  That really shows what your thinking is on 
> this matter, in that you're willing to put effort towards making hg work 
> better for you but you're not willing to expend that level of effort to 
> see if git can do so as well.

While this is true...

> This is what really eats me from the inside about your dissatisfaction 
> with git.  Your analysis seems to be a self-fullfilling prophecy, and 
> that's totally unfair to both hg and git.

... I actually appreciate people complaining -- in the meantime.  It shows 
right away what group you belong to in the "Those who can do, do, those 
who can't, complain.".

You can see that very easily on the git list, or on the #git channel on 
irc.freenode.net.  There is enough data for a study which yearns to be 
written, that shows how quickly we resolve issues with people that are 
sincerely interested in a solution.

(Of course, on the other hand, there are also quite a few cases which show 
how frustrating (for both sides) and unfruitful discussions started by a 
complaint are.)

So I fully expect an issue like Daniel's to be resolved in a matter of 
minutes on the git list, if the OP gives us a chance.  If we are not even 
Cc'ed, you are completely right, she or he probably does not want the 
issue to be resolved.

Ciao,
Dscho

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-12-06 11:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <4aca3dc20712051108s216d3331t8061ef45b9aa324a@mail.gmail.com>
2007-12-06  2:28 ` Git and GCC David Miller
2007-12-06  2:41   ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-06  2:52     ` David Miller
2007-12-06  3:47       ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-06  4:20         ` David Miller
2007-12-06  4:28           ` Harvey Harrison
2007-12-06  4:32           ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-06  4:48             ` David Miller
2007-12-06  5:11               ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-06  5:15                 ` Harvey Harrison
2007-12-06  5:17                   ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-06  6:47                     ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-06  7:15                       ` Jeff King
2007-12-06 14:18                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-06 17:39                           ` Jeff King
2007-12-06 18:02                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-07  6:50                               ` Jeff King
2007-12-07  7:27                                 ` Jeff King
2007-12-06 18:35                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-06 18:55                               ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-06 19:08                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-06 21:39                                   ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-06 22:08                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-06 22:11                                       ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-06 22:22                                       ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-06 22:30                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-06 22:44                                           ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-07  7:31                               ` Jeff King
2007-12-08  0:47                               ` Harvey Harrison
2007-12-10  9:54                                 ` Gabriel Paubert
2007-12-10 15:35                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-07  3:31                             ` David Miller
2007-12-07  6:38                               ` Jeff King
2007-12-07  7:10                                 ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-07 12:53                                   ` David Miller
2007-12-07 17:23                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-07 20:26                                       ` Giovanni Bajo
2007-12-07 22:14                                         ` Jakub Narebski
2007-12-07 23:04                                           ` Luke Lu
2007-12-07 23:14                                           ` Giovanni Bajo
2007-12-07 23:33                                             ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-08 12:00                                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-12-08  1:55                                       ` David Miller
2007-12-10  9:57                                     ` David Miller
2007-12-06  6:09                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-06  7:49                   ` Harvey Harrison
2007-12-06  8:11                     ` David Brown
2007-12-06 14:01                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-06 12:03                   ` [PATCH] gc --aggressive: make it really aggressive Johannes Schindelin
2007-12-06 13:42                     ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-06 14:15                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-06 14:22                     ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-06 15:55                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-12-06 17:05                         ` David Kastrup
2007-12-06 15:30                     ` Harvey Harrison
2007-12-06 15:56                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-12-06 16:19                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-18 16:01                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-03-18 16:27                       ` Teemu Likonen
2009-03-18 18:02                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-06 18:04                   ` Git and GCC Daniel Berlin
2007-12-06 18:29                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-07  2:42                     ` Harvey Harrison
2007-12-07  3:01                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-07  4:06                         ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-07  4:21                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-07  5:21                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-07  7:08                             ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-07 19:36                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-06 18:24                   ` NightStrike
2007-12-06 18:45                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-07  5:36                       ` NightStrike
2007-12-06 19:12                   ` Jon Loeliger
2007-12-06 19:39                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-07  0:29                       ` Jakub Narebski
2007-12-06 20:04                     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-06 21:02                       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-06 22:26                         ` David Kastrup
2007-12-06 22:38                           ` [OT] " Randy Dunlap
2007-12-06  4:25         ` Harvey Harrison
2007-12-06  4:54           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-06  5:04             ` Harvey Harrison
2007-12-06 11:57       ` Johannes Schindelin [this message]
2007-12-06 12:04         ` Ismail Dönmez
     [not found] ` <2007-12-05-21-23-14+trackit+sam@rfc1149.net>
     [not found]   ` <1196891451.10408.54.camel@brick>
     [not found]     ` <jeeje0ogvk.fsf@sykes.suse.de>
     [not found]       ` <1196897840.10408.57.camel@brick>
     [not found]         ` <38a0d8450712130640p1b5d74d6nfa124ad0b0110d64@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]           ` <1197572755.898.15.camel@brick>
2007-12-17 22:15             ` "Argument list too long" in git remote update (Was: Git and GCC) Geert Bosch
2007-12-17 22:59               ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-12-17 23:01               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-18  1:34                 ` Derek Fawcus
2007-12-18  1:52                   ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-12-08  2:21 Git and GCC J.C. Pizarro
2007-12-08 12:24 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-12-08 19:53   ` Joe Buck
2007-12-08 20:28     ` Marco Costalba
2007-12-09  1:51       ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-15  0:18   ` Nix

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