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From: Eric Wong via ruby-core <ruby-core@ml.ruby-lang.org>
To: ruby-core@ml.ruby-lang.org
Cc: Eric Wong <normalperson@yhbt.net>
Subject: [ruby-core:116377] Re: [Ruby master Feature#19057] Hide implementation of `rb_io_t`.
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 12:56:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240123125644.M433593@dcvr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <redmine.journal-106233.20240115054917.3344@ruby-lang.org>

"ioquatix (Samuel Williams) via ruby-core" <ruby-core@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
> Are you saying that in general:
> 
> ```
> struct A {
>   int x;
>   float y;
>   char z;
>   struct S s;
> };
> ```
> 
> and
> 
> ```
> struct B {
>   int x;
>   float y;
> };
> ```

> That reinterpreting a pointer to A as a pointer to B, and accessing
> field `B::y` is never undefined? And that generalises? The only rule I
> knew was the first field, if a struct, is guaranteed to be at offset=0.
> Are you able to link me to the standard?

(oops, battery died last week and I forgot about Ruby entirely :x)

As long as it's the same HW arch, yes.  AFAIK C itself doesn't say anything
about it, it's up to every ABI.  https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/elf/
has a bunch of ABIs.  abi386-4.pdf (via pdftotext) states:

  Each member is assigned to the lowest available offset with the appropriate
  alignment. This may require internal padding, depending on the previous
  member.

> While I understand what you are saying may be true, I was not able to
> find confirmation of it in the standard.

It's a lot of arch-specific ABIs to read through and I haven't
read every one; but keep in mind FFI/Rust interop would not work
at all without a predictable C ABI.  I do similar things via
Perl syscall wrapper and pack (same as Ruby Array#pack) on
various architectures the GCC Compiler Farm (cfarm) provides
with no problems.

You can always add STATIC_ASSERT on the offsets to ensure new
platforms are behaving.  I don't expect Ruby will be able to run
at all if there's a hypothetical platform with unpredictable offsets.

All this only applies to C and normal C types (not C++)
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  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-23 12:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-15  1:54 [ruby-core:110300] [Ruby master Bug#19057] Hide implementation of `rb_io_t` ioquatix (Samuel Williams)
2022-10-15  2:12 ` [ruby-core:110301] " ioquatix (Samuel Williams)
2022-10-15 11:02 ` [ruby-core:110309] " Eregon (Benoit Daloze)
2022-10-17  7:07 ` [ruby-core:110348] " ioquatix (Samuel Williams)
2023-05-27  8:49 ` [ruby-core:113678] [Ruby master Feature#19057] " kjtsanaktsidis (KJ Tsanaktsidis) via ruby-core
2023-05-27  9:58 ` [ruby-core:113680] " Eregon (Benoit Daloze) via ruby-core
2023-05-27 10:12 ` [ruby-core:113681] " ioquatix (Samuel Williams) via ruby-core
2023-05-28  2:19 ` [ruby-core:113689] " ianks (Ian Ker-Seymer) via ruby-core
2023-05-29  9:15 ` [ruby-core:113696] " Eregon (Benoit Daloze) via ruby-core
2023-05-30  1:04 ` [ruby-core:113698] " ioquatix (Samuel Williams) via ruby-core
2023-06-01  0:52 ` [ruby-core:113723] " ioquatix (Samuel Williams) via ruby-core
2023-06-01  9:56 ` [ruby-core:113728] " Eregon (Benoit Daloze) via ruby-core
2023-06-01 11:11 ` [ruby-core:113731] " ioquatix (Samuel Williams) via ruby-core
2023-06-08  2:39 ` [ruby-core:113802] " ioquatix (Samuel Williams) via ruby-core
2023-06-09  8:14 ` [ruby-core:113844] " byroot (Jean Boussier) via ruby-core
2023-06-09  8:33 ` [ruby-core:113845] " ioquatix (Samuel Williams) via ruby-core
2023-06-23 10:36 ` [ruby-core:114014] " kamil-gwozdz via ruby-core
2023-07-07  0:41 ` [ruby-core:114104] " k0kubun (Takashi Kokubun) via ruby-core
2023-07-07  2:04 ` [ruby-core:114106] " nobu (Nobuyoshi Nakada) via ruby-core
2023-07-26 22:23 ` [ruby-core:114298] " k0kubun (Takashi Kokubun) via ruby-core
2023-08-24 13:41 ` [ruby-core:114491] " ioquatix (Samuel Williams) via ruby-core
2023-08-25  1:07 ` [ruby-core:114521] " naruse (Yui NARUSE) via ruby-core
2023-08-25  1:43 ` [ruby-core:114522] " ioquatix (Samuel Williams) via ruby-core
2023-09-05  9:24 ` [ruby-core:114627] " byroot (Jean Boussier) via ruby-core
2024-01-14  3:20 ` [ruby-core:116197] " ioquatix (Samuel Williams) via ruby-core
2024-01-14  3:30 ` [ruby-core:116198] " ioquatix (Samuel Williams) via ruby-core
2024-01-15  3:23   ` [ruby-core:116211] " Eric Wong via ruby-core
2024-01-15  5:49 ` [ruby-core:116213] " ioquatix (Samuel Williams) via ruby-core
2024-01-23 12:56   ` Eric Wong via ruby-core [this message]
2024-01-23 13:44 ` [ruby-core:116379] " Eregon (Benoit Daloze) via ruby-core
2024-01-24  1:03   ` [ruby-core:116389] " Eric Wong via ruby-core
2024-03-18  1:58 ` [ruby-core:117204] " mame (Yusuke Endoh) via ruby-core
2024-03-18  5:22 ` [ruby-core:117206] " ioquatix (Samuel Williams) via ruby-core
2024-03-18  7:43 ` [ruby-core:117207] " byroot (Jean Boussier) via ruby-core
2024-03-18  8:03 ` [ruby-core:117208] " ioquatix (Samuel Williams) via ruby-core
2024-03-19  2:35 ` [ruby-core:117220] " mame (Yusuke Endoh) via ruby-core
2024-03-23 18:23   ` [ruby-core:117298] " Eric Wong via ruby-core
2024-03-19  3:07 ` [ruby-core:117224] " matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto) via ruby-core
2024-03-19  9:33 ` [ruby-core:117226] " ioquatix (Samuel Williams) via ruby-core
2024-03-19 10:56 ` [ruby-core:117228] " ioquatix (Samuel Williams) via ruby-core
2024-03-19 11:44 ` [ruby-core:117229] " Eregon (Benoit Daloze) via ruby-core
2024-03-19 12:33 ` [ruby-core:117230] " ioquatix (Samuel Williams) via ruby-core
2024-03-20 13:02 ` [ruby-core:117262] " mame (Yusuke Endoh) via ruby-core
2024-03-20 18:40 ` [ruby-core:117267] " Eregon (Benoit Daloze) via ruby-core
2024-03-22  2:28 ` [ruby-core:117289] " ioquatix (Samuel Williams) via ruby-core
2024-03-22  3:55 ` [ruby-core:117290] " k0kubun (Takashi Kokubun) via ruby-core
2024-03-23 21:49 ` [ruby-core:117300] " ioquatix (Samuel Williams) via ruby-core
2024-03-28  8:32   ` [ruby-core:117361] " Eric Wong via ruby-core
2024-03-24  4:45 ` [ruby-core:117301] " mame (Yusuke Endoh) via ruby-core
2024-03-25  8:28 ` [ruby-core:117310] " byroot (Jean Boussier) via ruby-core

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