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From: Eric Wong <normalperson@yhbt.net>
To: ruby-core@ruby-lang.org
Subject: [ruby-core:85417] Re: [Ruby trunk Feature#13618] [PATCH] auto fiber schedule for rb_wait_for_single_fd and rb_waitpid
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 21:42:19 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180205214219.GA13747@starla> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <redmine.journal-70151.20180204061415.5353f262bd90114e@ruby-lang.org>

jjyruby@gmail.com wrote:
> Excited to see this awesome feature! I'm implemented
> fiber-auto-schedule at ruby
> userland([light](https://github.com/socketry/lightio)) few
> month ago(using monkey patch). Due to ruby complexity IO API
> (like: `getc`, `getbyte`, `put,c`, `putbyte`), it's hard to
> implement these methods without C, the built-in `Threadlet` or
> `Thread::Green` is all I want as a ruby user. (bad news for me
> is my library have no meaning to exists).

Thank you for your response.

I agree a lot of the current IO stuff is difficult or costly to
implement outside of C.  I hope some dependencies on C can
eventually be reduced; but stuff like supporting writev in
IO#write_nonblock <https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/14404>
remind me some things are perhaps best done in C.

Anyways lightio can be counted as another reason to implement
this feature natively in core (along with previous efforts
dating back to Neverblock), so perhaps lightio already served
a great purpose :)

> Two opinions:

> The name `Threadlet` or `Thread::Green` both is easy to
> understand and to guess it behaviour, so as a application
> level user I think both is fine.  I think the `Mutex`,
> `ConditonVariable` needed to be `Thread::Green` aware, cause
> if I write a thread-safe library using mutex, it's not make
> sense if it can't work under `Thread::Green`.

Yes, I am strongly leaning towards making mutex, cv and queues
green-thread aware and I'm working on improving time
representations in core to that end:
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/14431
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/14452

  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-05 21:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 173+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <redmine.issue-13618.20170601001407@ruby-lang.org>
2017-06-01  0:14 ` [ruby-core:81492] [Ruby trunk Feature#13618] [PATCH] auto fiber schedule for rb_wait_for_single_fd and rb_waitpid normalperson
2017-06-01  0:36   ` [ruby-core:81493] " Eric Wong
2017-06-29  6:11   ` [ruby-core:81826] " Eric Wong
2018-08-27 20:27   ` [ruby-core:88695] " Eric Wong
2018-09-01 13:13     ` [ruby-core:88800] " Eric Wong
2018-09-02  9:24     ` [ruby-core:88806] " Eric Wong
2018-09-12 20:27       ` [ruby-core:88961] " Eric Wong
2018-11-14 22:03   ` [ruby-core:89799] Thread::Light#raise and Thread::Light#kill Eric Wong
2018-11-20  8:44   ` [ruby-core:89900] Thread::Light patch against r65832 Eric Wong
2018-11-20 10:20     ` [ruby-core:89904] " Koichi Sasada
2018-11-20 15:15       ` [ruby-core:89909] " Eric Wong
2018-11-21 10:59         ` [ruby-core:89920] " Eric Wong
2018-12-15 12:19   ` [ruby-core:90546] Re: [Ruby trunk Feature#13618] [PATCH] auto fiber schedule for rb_wait_for_single_fd and rb_waitpid Eric Wong
2017-06-01  2:15 ` [ruby-core:81495] " ko1
2017-06-01  9:18   ` [ruby-core:81500] " Eric Wong
2017-06-01  5:48 ` [ruby-core:81498] " ko1
2017-06-01 14:40 ` [ruby-core:81507] " ko1
2017-06-01 21:51   ` [ruby-core:81514] " Eric Wong
2017-06-02 18:05 ` [ruby-core:81537] " eregontp
2017-06-02 23:18   ` [ruby-core:81543] " Eric Wong
2017-06-09  8:15 ` [ruby-core:81631] " samuel
2017-06-09 20:32   ` [ruby-core:81643] " Eric Wong
2017-06-14  2:13 ` [ruby-core:81672] " samuel
2017-06-14  2:49   ` [ruby-core:81674] " Eric Wong
2017-06-15  1:56 ` [ruby-core:81687] " samuel
2017-06-15 20:28   ` [ruby-core:81695] " Eric Wong
2017-06-19 13:17 ` [ruby-core:81721] " samuel
2017-06-20 19:08   ` [ruby-core:81732] " Eric Wong
2017-07-13  8:37 ` [ruby-core:82028] " ko1
2017-07-13 22:31   ` [ruby-core:82040] " Eric Wong
2017-07-31  9:19 ` [ruby-core:82214] " samuel
2017-07-31  9:21 ` [ruby-core:82215] " samuel
2017-08-30  3:16 ` [ruby-core:82518] " mame
2017-08-31  5:58   ` [ruby-core:82552] " Eric Wong
2017-09-12  5:40     ` [ruby-core:82756] " Eric Wrong
2017-09-28  1:06       ` [ruby-core:83034] " Eric Wrong
2017-12-07  4:30         ` [ruby-core:84118] " Eric Wong
2017-12-10 22:30 ` [ruby-core:84149] " samuel
2017-12-11  1:37   ` [ruby-core:84153] " Eric Wong
2018-01-23 11:35 ` [ruby-core:84980] [Ruby trunk Feature#13618][Assigned] " hsbt
2018-01-23 17:31   ` [ruby-core:85012] " Eric Wong
2018-01-24 21:51     ` [ruby-core:85081] " Eric Wong
2018-01-24 22:01       ` [ruby-core:85082] " Eric Wong
2018-01-25  1:13         ` [ruby-core:85087] " Daniel Ferreira
2018-01-28 14:09         ` [ruby-core:85181] " Koichi Sasada
2018-01-28 20:00           ` [ruby-core:85189] " Eric Wong
2018-01-28 14:01       ` [ruby-core:85180] " Koichi Sasada
2018-01-28 11:02     ` [ruby-core:85173] " Eric Wong
2018-01-28 14:32     ` [ruby-core:85183] " Koichi Sasada
2018-01-25  1:15 ` [ruby-core:85088] [Ruby trunk Feature#13618] " danieldasilvaferreira
2018-01-25  4:34   ` [ruby-core:85094] " Eric Wong
2018-01-25  5:06     ` [ruby-core:85095] " Daniel Ferreira
2018-01-26 10:16 ` [ruby-core:85128] " samuel
2018-01-26 19:13   ` [ruby-core:85136] " Eric Wong
2018-01-26 20:31     ` [ruby-core:85138] " Daniel Ferreira
2018-01-26 21:36       ` [ruby-core:85139] " Eric Wong
2018-01-27  1:08 ` [ruby-core:85140] " hsbt
2018-01-27  1:17 ` [ruby-core:85141] " danieldasilvaferreira
2018-01-27  3:45 ` [ruby-core:85144] " danieldasilvaferreira
2018-01-28 10:47   ` [ruby-core:85171] " Eric Wong
2018-01-27 23:34 ` [ruby-core:85162] " merch-redmine
2018-01-28  0:02 ` [ruby-core:85163] " danieldasilvaferreira
2018-01-28  0:33 ` [ruby-core:85164] " danieldasilvaferreira
2018-01-28 10:54   ` [ruby-core:85172] " Eric Wong
2018-01-28  5:20 ` [ruby-core:85168] " sam.saffron
2018-01-28 10:41   ` [ruby-core:85170] " Eric Wong
2018-01-28 12:29 ` [ruby-core:85174] " danieldasilvaferreira
2018-01-28 17:50 ` [ruby-core:85186] " danieldasilvaferreira
2018-01-28 20:18   ` [ruby-core:85190] " Eric Wong
2018-01-28 20:43 ` [ruby-core:85191] " danieldasilvaferreira
2018-01-28 21:19   ` [ruby-core:85193] " Eric Wong
2018-01-29  0:39 ` [ruby-core:85199] " sam.saffron
2018-01-29  4:42   ` [ruby-core:85204] " Eric Wong
2018-01-29  5:06 ` [ruby-core:85206] " sam.saffron
2018-01-29  5:14   ` [ruby-core:85207] " Koichi Sasada
2018-01-29  9:48   ` [ruby-core:85217] " Eric Wong
2018-01-29  5:38 ` [ruby-core:85209] " sam.saffron
2018-01-29 20:56 ` [ruby-core:85235] " shannonskipper
2018-01-29 21:28 ` [ruby-core:85236] " sam.saffron
2018-01-29 22:23   ` [ruby-core:85237] " Eric Wong
2018-01-31  2:48 ` [ruby-core:85273] " samuel
2018-02-02  5:46 ` [ruby-core:85335] " sam.saffron
2018-02-02  6:22   ` [ruby-core:85336] " Eric Wong
2018-02-03  1:36 ` [ruby-core:85353] " sam.saffron
2018-02-03  9:33   ` [ruby-core:85362] " Eric Wong
2018-02-04  6:14 ` [ruby-core:85371] " jjyruby
2018-02-05 21:42   ` Eric Wong [this message]
2018-02-08  0:25 ` [ruby-core:85472] " sam.saffron
2018-02-13 22:39   ` [ruby-core:85531] " Eric Wong
2018-02-15  3:22 ` [ruby-core:85575] " samuel
2018-02-15  4:02   ` [ruby-core:85576] " Eric Wong
2018-02-15 13:13 ` [ruby-core:85585] " samuel
2018-02-20  6:42 ` [ruby-core:85674] " matz
2018-02-20  9:06   ` [ruby-core:85686] " Eric Wong
2018-02-21  1:52     ` [ruby-core:85704] " Koichi Sasada
2018-02-21  8:07       ` [ruby-core:85726] " Eric Wong
2018-02-21  8:23         ` [ruby-core:85727] " Koichi Sasada
2018-02-21 14:55 ` [ruby-core:85732] " jjyruby
2018-02-28 19:25 ` [ruby-core:85868] " keystonelemur
2018-03-13  2:57 ` [ruby-core:86092] " samuel
2018-04-21 11:23   ` [ruby-core:86639] " Eric Wong
2018-04-26  4:57 ` [ruby-core:86689] " samuel
2018-04-26  6:01   ` [ruby-core:86691] " Eric Wong
2018-04-30  1:24 ` [ruby-core:86768] " samuel
2018-04-30 10:25   ` [ruby-core:86774] " Eric Wong
2018-04-30  1:37 ` [ruby-core:86769] " samuel
2018-04-30 10:47   ` [ruby-core:86775] " Eric Wong
2018-05-02  5:20 ` [ruby-core:86821] " samuel
2018-05-02  7:54   ` [ruby-core:86826] " Eric Wong
2018-05-02  8:38 ` [ruby-core:86829] " samuel
2018-05-02 10:56   ` [ruby-core:86832] " Eric Wong
2018-05-02 23:36 ` [ruby-core:86850] " samuel
2018-05-03  1:15   ` [ruby-core:86853] " Eric Wong
2018-05-05 13:06 ` [ruby-core:86910] " samuel
2018-05-06  3:03   ` [ruby-core:86915] " Eric Wong
2018-05-07 11:39 ` [ruby-core:86929] " samuel
2018-05-10 20:06   ` [ruby-core:86972] " Eric Wong
2018-05-08  5:25 ` [ruby-core:86942] " samuel
2018-05-08  6:40 ` [ruby-core:86943] " samuel
2018-05-08  7:01 ` [ruby-core:86944] " samuel
2018-05-10 21:09   ` [ruby-core:86973] " Eric Wong
2018-05-11  2:09 ` [ruby-core:86976] " samuel
2018-06-13  1:16 ` [ruby-core:87484] " Eric Wong
2018-06-18  0:59   ` [ruby-core:87504] " Eric Wong
2018-07-04  7:37 ` [ruby-core:87776] " funny.falcon
2018-07-04  8:45 ` [ruby-core:87779] " samuel
2018-07-04 16:40 ` [ruby-core:87786] " funny.falcon
2018-07-05  7:20 ` [ruby-core:87803] " funny.falcon
2018-07-05  8:43 ` [ruby-core:87810] " funny.falcon
2018-07-05  9:35 ` [ruby-core:87811] " samuel
2018-07-05 18:12 ` [ruby-core:87818] " funny.falcon
2018-07-05 21:55 ` [ruby-core:87822] " samuel
2018-07-06  7:48 ` [ruby-core:87835] " funny.falcon
2018-07-06  9:16 ` [ruby-core:87837] " samuel
2018-07-06 18:10 ` [ruby-core:87839] " funny.falcon
2018-07-06 21:11   ` [ruby-core:87840] " Eric Wong
2018-08-08  1:21 ` [ruby-core:88331] " samuel
2018-08-08  8:48   ` [ruby-core:88350] " Eric Wong
2018-08-08 11:14     ` [ruby-core:88352] " Matthew Kerwin
2018-08-09  8:04 ` [ruby-core:88374] " samuel
2018-08-09  8:25 ` [ruby-core:88376] " samuel
2018-08-09  8:34   ` [ruby-core:88378] " Eric Wong
2018-08-10  9:33 ` [ruby-core:88433] " ko1
2018-08-14  0:42   ` [ruby-core:88467] " Eric Wong
2018-08-14  8:22     ` [ruby-core:88476] " Koichi Sasada
2018-08-14 17:47       ` [ruby-core:88484] " Eric Wong
2018-08-10 11:45 ` [ruby-core:88437] " samuel
2018-08-14  9:00 ` [ruby-core:88478] " danieldasilvaferreira
2018-08-14 18:25   ` [ruby-core:88486] " Eric Wong
2018-09-04 21:36 ` [ruby-core:88838] " Greg.mpls
2018-09-05 21:47   ` [ruby-core:88873] " Eric Wong
2018-09-13  8:17 ` [ruby-core:88989] " matz
2018-09-13  9:18   ` [ruby-core:88992] " Eric Wong
2018-09-13 16:23 ` [ruby-core:88999] " shevegen
2018-09-21 17:58 ` [ruby-core:89120] " shannonskipper
2018-09-28  2:35   ` [ruby-core:89204] " Eric Wong
2018-11-20 20:58 ` [ruby-core:89913] " shevegen
2018-11-22  1:28 ` [ruby-core:89939] " me
2018-11-22  2:14   ` [ruby-core:89943] " Eric Wong
2018-11-22 10:40     ` [ruby-core:89968] Thread::Light updated for r65925 (sleep fix) Eric Wong
2018-11-28 11:05       ` [ruby-core:90115] Thread::Light r66072 Eric Wong
2018-11-22 15:40 ` [ruby-core:89978] [Ruby trunk Feature#13618] [PATCH] auto fiber schedule for rb_wait_for_single_fd and rb_waitpid me
2018-11-28 10:22 ` [ruby-core:90111] " matz
2018-11-28 10:44   ` [ruby-core:90112] " Eric Wong
2018-11-28 12:19 ` [ruby-core:90117] " takashikkbn
2018-11-28 19:51   ` [ruby-core:90134] " Eric Wong
2018-11-28 20:07 ` [ruby-core:90136] " samuel
2018-11-29  0:16   ` [ruby-core:90141] " Eric Wong
2018-11-29 11:26     ` [ruby-core:90161] Thread::Light#run and Thread::Light#wakeup Eric Wong
2019-01-01 22:58 ` [ruby-core:90846] [Ruby trunk Feature#13618] [PATCH] auto fiber schedule for rb_wait_for_single_fd and rb_waitpid me
2019-01-04 14:49   ` [ruby-core:90890] " Eric Wong
2019-02-13  9:44 ` [ruby-core:91528] Re: Technical question on ruby Thread::Light scheduling Eric Wong
2019-05-07  7:24 ` [ruby-core:92579] [Ruby trunk Feature#13618] [PATCH] auto fiber schedule for rb_wait_for_single_fd and rb_waitpid shevegen

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