From: Dmitry Alexandrov <321942@gmail.com>
To: Ian Kelling <iank@fsf.org>
Cc: John Sullivan <johns@fsf.org>, libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
Subject: Re: GNU Mailman settings for this list
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 22:50:17 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <imp9o96u.321942@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <wodww2sk.321942@gmail.com> (Dmitry Alexandrov's message of "Wed, 25 Sep 2019 23:15:23 +0300")
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Dmitry Alexandrov <321942@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ian Kelling <iank@fsf.org> wrote:
>> Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? Currently this is set to "yes".
>
> Of course, no.
>
>> There's good and bad things about this setting.
>
> There is no good things…
>
>> One bad thing is that gpg signatures on html email will be rendered invalid.
>
> Another bad thing that many MUAs have a bad habit of autohardwrapping plain text, while being incapable to do that properly. I am tired of sorting out the quoting mess that they produce.
FWIW, we’ve just got a perfect example of what I meant by ‘mess’:
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On Monday, September 30, 2019, 2:44:49 PM EDT, Deb Nicholson <deb@eximiousproductions.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 1:25 PM Danny Spitzberg
<[1]stationaery@gmail.com> wrote:
I thought Bradley’s 2018 “state of the copyleft union“ talk at
LibrePlanet was a rare and important bit of positive
constructive criticism for free/libre software.
Sadly, it was met with mixed reactions from the audience-
including RMS
who apparently saw it as defeatist, because he yelled “We’re not
licked
yet!!” and then stormed the stage to give an impromptu rebuttal.
I don’t have much context for other contributions from Bradley,
but
that one talk was a breath of fresh air and levelheadedness.
(Bradly, do you know the whereabouts of that talk, the notes, or
dare I
imagine, the video?)
>>>I think the FSF chose not to make that one available. Danny, thank you also for speaking in favor of constructive criticism. No movement can
survive an allergy to discussion -- especially the discussion of
problems and challenges -- such as all too sadly been happening on this
list lately.
The assumption that any discussion of tactics, or how the free software
movement might respond to changes in society or changes in the industry
is necessarily a smear campaign by Microsoft/Facebook/Etc has been
extremely tiresome.
Best,
Deb
I found the talk easily on libre planet media. I thought it was a good talk. Bradly called for employees to stop being so afraid of their employers and stand up and ask for the software written during employment to be madecopyleft under a free software license (like the gpl v3) Richard Stallman was his usual self, but of course when Bradley mentioned Linux he really just meant Linux the kernel.
State of the copyleft union — GNU MediaGoblin
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State of the copyleft union — GNU MediaGoblin
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There wouldn't really be any reason to hide that video. People who may not have joined the FSF or gone to Libre Planet could still benefit from it if they care about free software and write software at work.
Also, maybe some people thought it was defeatist, or thought that maybe copyleft was not necessarily the best tool to enforce software freedom. I think the points made in this talk put an end more or less to that idea. It was certainly not a lay down and bsd everything talk.
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On Monday, September 30, 2019, 2:44:49 PM EDT, Deb Nicholson
<deb@eximiousproductions.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 1:25 PM Danny Spitzberg
<[1][1]stationaery@gmail.com> wrote:
I thought Bradleys 2018 state of the copyleft union talk at
LibrePlanet was a rare and important bit of positive
constructive criticism for free/libre software.
Sadly, it was met with mixed reactions from the audience-
including RMS
who apparently saw it as defeatist, because he yelled Were
not
licked
yet!! and then stormed the stage to give an impromptu
rebuttal.
I dont have much context for other contributions from Bradley,
but
that one talk was a breath of fresh air and levelheadedness.
(Bradly, do you know the whereabouts of that talk, the notes,
or
dare I
imagine, the video?)
>>>I think the FSF chose not to make that one available. Danny, thank
you
also for speaking in favor of constructive criticism. No movement can
survive an allergy to discussion -- especially the discussion of
problems and challenges -- such as all too sadly been happening on
this
list lately.
The assumption that any discussion of tactics, or how the free
software
movement might respond to changes in society or changes in the
industry
is necessarily a smear campaign by Microsoft/Facebook/Etc has been
extremely tiresome.
Best,
Deb
I found the talk easily on libre planet media. I thought it was a good
talk. Bradly called for employees to stop being so afraid of their
employers and stand up and ask for the software written during
employment to be made
copyleft under a free software license (like the gpl v3) Richard
Stallman was his usual self, but of course when Bradley mentioned Linux
he really just meant Linux the kernel.
[2]State of the copyleft union GNU MediaGoblin
State of the copyleft union GNU MediaGoblin
There wouldn't really be any reason to hide that video. People who may
not have joined the FSF or gone to Libre Planet could still benefit
from it if they care about free software and write software at work.
Also, maybe some people thought it was defeatist, or thought that maybe
copyleft was not necessarily the best tool to enforce software
freedom. I think the points made in this talk put an end more or less
to that idea. It was certainly not a lay down and bsd everything
talk.
References
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1. mailto:stationaery@gmail.com
2. https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/state-of-the-copyleft-union/
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4. https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/state-of-the-copyleft-union/
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2019-09-23 15:51 ` non- were you censored too? how to beat it John Sullivan
2019-09-23 16:34 ` klez
2019-09-24 16:50 ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-09-25 15:41 ` GNU Mailman settings for this list Ian Kelling
2019-09-25 20:15 ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-09-25 21:26 ` Ian Kelling
2019-09-25 23:03 ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-09-26 19:15 ` John Sullivan
2019-09-30 19:50 ` Dmitry Alexandrov [this message]
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