Re: RYF can, and should, be improved

From: Jacob Hrbek <kreyren@rixotstudio.cz>
To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
Subject: Re: RYF can, and should, be improved
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2022 12:56:29 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f796481c-f392-be89-2845-e9caea57e431@rixotstudio.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220106134015.0d4bcd55@Macabola.home>

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I argue to abolish the "hardware-depth threshold" so that RYF 
certification requires the manufacturer to release the source code for 
the hardware e.g. EDA files for KiCAD and Schematics under GPLv3 like 
Creality Ender 3, because it's super flustrating that proprietary 
developers that don't give a damn about free software and it's values 
get endorsed by FSF.

On 1/6/22 13:40, Félicien Pillot wrote:
> Wed, 5 Jan 2022 02:12:15 +0000,
> Leah Rowe via libreplanet-discuss <libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org> wrote:
>> Discussion welcome. Please, tell me your thoughts!
> Hi Leah, thank you for these deep explanations about things like
> software/non-software blobs or microcode updates; it helps a lot to
> understand the issues and your point of view.
>
> IIUC, you say we should stop thinking in a binary way -- completely free
> software compliant / completely non-{free software compliant} --
> and rather as if there was a succession of steps towards total freedom,
> without restricting our travel to any given "hardware-depth threshold".
>
> I think I agree with you on this point, and I wonder what rms for
> example would think about that.
>
> However I'm not comfortable with this argument from
> https://osboot.org/news/policy.html#configuration :
>> It’s natural that the user may want to create a setup that is less
>> free than the default one in osboot. This is perfectly acceptable;
>> freedom is superior, and should be encouraged, but the user’s freedom
>> to choose should also be respected, and accomodated.
> Saying that, you go in the opposite way the FSDG does: it looks like
> you're ok with distributing non-free software, just in case if the user
> would like it better... I know we aren't talking about software, but
> this distinction is not clear for everyone (including me). Anyway, the
> word "accomodated" can be a source of debate.
> --
> Félicien Pillot
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