free software is under attack

free software is under attack

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 2:16 AM
<libreplanet-discuss-request@libreplanet.org> wrote:

> My inbox is blowing up with this debate on RMS' and others morals. Can
> we return to using this list for it's intended purposes in free software
> and move the debate somewhere else?

hiya tom,

i totally get it - i subscribed (digest) a long time ago, never really
read it, and saw a... morass/deluge of digest messages - twelve in a
row - and went, "holy shit what's *this* all about... ah.  whoops".

the unfortunate thing is - and i do appreciate that ironically i am
adding to an already-overloaded discussion - that because this forum
(and many others) is under attack from intelligence agency operatives
hostile to the "threat" that software freedom presents, your wishes in
this matter are not going to be respected.

the moment that the thread begins to "shut down", another plant will
write another message, from another account, which re-ignites the
entire thing and off we go again.

the entire purpose of raising this discussion here in an inflammatory
fashion is - and was - to cause MAXIMUM damage to the Free Software
Movement, by specifically exploiting a deliberate misinterpretation of
Dr Stallman's words.

already we have witnessed several people abandon free software, from
both a funding perspective and a moral / ethical perspective, *not
realising that this is precisely what the attackers from the shadows
wanted*.

when the thread *eventually* shuts down - after everyone is too
exhausted to respond to the inflammatory comments raised by the plants
- the team will congratulate themselves on a job well done, and move
on to another forum.

if one doesn't exist, they'll work with the other intelligence field
operatives - peers of Epstein - to *ENGINEER* another Minsky /
Applebaum / Assange situation, and will work with that to continue to
destroy the reputation of Free Software, "safe" in the knowledge that
everyone will have forgotten the last "plausibly deniable" time that
the team worked to deliberately inflame and destabilise Free Software
Forums such as this one.


if you - MARY-JANE - are an actual real person, you damn well should
have known better than to make unjustified accusations.

MARY-JANE - double-barrelled name (two female forenames, in CAPITALS)
just to make it absolutely clear that "you" are female.  your handlers
most likely did a lot of research and have a database of the
psychological impact of the surname associated with "you".  this then
solicits sympathy and helps maximise the damage by the *deliberate*
misinterpretation of Dr Stallman's words.

MARY-JANE - whom i have not seen apologise for the harm caused after
several people explained that your words are a clearly defamatory
misinterpretation of what Dr Stallman actually wrote.

this is how spycraft works.

engineer a situation - "groom" and "target" some high-profile
individuals, exploit their weaknesses, blackmail them, then when it
becomes exposed, have "plants" right across the internet post publicly
and prominently, to express shock and outrage at the "exploitation" -
sexual exploitation works *really* well...

Assange, Manning, Applebaum, Minsky... anyone seeing a pattern here?....

... then when prominent high-profile individuals unknowingly get
involved in the discussion [rms] HOO-RAAAH!  JACKPOT!! YESSS, let's
*REALLY* go to town on them!  BONUS points for the team operative who
can cause the most damage by way of misleading and false
misinterpretation of *that* juicy conversation, woo!


you - *all* of you - *need* to understand and appreciate that this is
how discord is sown, by people who have no limits on what they will or
will not do, except that, because they are maximally-effective from
the shadows, their actions have to be "reasonably deniable"

this is actually extremely easy because the average person is simply
INCAPABLE OF BELIEVING that another human being could actually
WILLINGLY engage in, plan, and carry out such orchestrated,
premeditated, unbelievably unethical, criminal and immoral behaviour,
on a regular and ongoing basis.

yet this is just how spycraft works.  there *are* no moral, legal, or
ethical limits.

so - ALL of you - need to be aware of this, and STOP reacting.
remember what Software Freedom is about.  it's *not* actually about
the software, it's about ethics *as applied* to software.

look up the definition of an ethical act.  "An act that increases
truth, love, awareness or creativity (those being synonyms for the
same underyling concept) for one or more people (including yourself),
WITHOUT decreasing ANY of those same four qualities FOR ANYONE".

by that definition, do you think that abandoning Free Software,
de-funding the FSF, or rejecting Dr Stallman and the life-long efforts
he has gone to, is what you should be doing?

because if after aaaall of this discussion: if you do, you've been
played.  or you're one of the players.  hello, yes, i know you're
there, i know the tell-tale signs and signatures to look for.


for you - the team behind these attacks: please research Robert David
Steele.  we are human beings, and so are you.  we are not the
"objects" and "targets" that your handlers describe us as which allows
you to emotionally detach from the damage that you are doing to real,
live, human beings.

that said: by making this request of you, i do appreciate that you are
now in an impossible situation.  by working in the shadows, if you
show a conscience and morally object to the work that you are doing,
there is nothing that stops you from being executed, because nobody
will even notice that you are gone.  you chose that life - you chose
to live by the sword.  this is just how it is.  i get it.

so instead, just pass it up the chain.  quietly.  "Robert David
Steele".  Navy Seal Captain and CIA Intelligence Director who
advocates world-wide security through OPEN COLLABORATION.  don't do
anything else, because *your* lives critically depend on doing what
you're ordered to do, regardless of how criminally insane or morally
objectionable that is.

unethical means *never* justify ethical ends.  by definition.  no
matter what you've been told.

l.

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URGENT URGENT URGENT - PLEASE GET WORD TO DR STALLMAN IMMEDIATELY

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

this is not a joke.  i repeat: this message is not a joke or a hoax.
i repeat: this message is not a joke or a hoax.

i just saw the news that dr stallman, through the mischaracterisation
and misreporting of what he said, has resulted in his resignation.

the next step will be to have him executed.

please can people get word to him and to john sullivan URGENTLY to
REMAIN in the 24x7 company of people that he trusts - as many as
possible - and to go DIRECTLY to a support centre for people on the
Autistic Spectrum with 24x7 living quarters, and STAY there
indefinitely.

the staff will not only be able to protect him from media attacks,
they will have the security facilities in place to ensure that he is
not murdered.

thank you.

l.

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Re: free software is under attack

[Leah Rowe via libreplanet-discuss]

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I think most people are intelligent enough to realize that the article
is bullshit.

I resigned from this list (now I'm sending this reply as a non-list
member) not because I'm withdrawing support from the FSF; I still
wholeheartedly support them. It's just that the libreplanet mailing
list doesn't benefit me personally... and it gets a lot of spam. I
have to delete spam from this list all the time.

Btw I consider free software relevant topics spam too, most of the
time. Spam is any specific subject that doesn't benefit me personally.
I'm not heavily involved with the FSF these days, though I'm still a
supporter.

I greatly admire RMS. He is a good man. I've met him in person on
several occasions. He comes off as rude but... yeah I guess he's
probably just autistic like me.

I wouldn't worry. People see inflammatory threads like this for what
they are. People just hate drama, that's all.

On Tue, 17 Sep 2019
09:35:05 +0100 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl@lkcl.net> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 2:16 AM
> <libreplanet-discuss-request@libreplanet.org> wrote:
> 
> > My inbox is blowing up with this debate on RMS' and others morals.
> > Can we return to using this list for it's intended purposes in free
> > software and move the debate somewhere else?
> 
> hiya tom,
> 
> i totally get it - i subscribed (digest) a long time ago, never really
> read it, and saw a... morass/deluge of digest messages - twelve in a
> row - and went, "holy shit what's *this* all about... ah.  whoops".
> 
> the unfortunate thing is - and i do appreciate that ironically i am
> adding to an already-overloaded discussion - that because this forum
> (and many others) is under attack from intelligence agency operatives
> hostile to the "threat" that software freedom presents, your wishes in
> this matter are not going to be respected.
> 
> the moment that the thread begins to "shut down", another plant will
> write another message, from another account, which re-ignites the
> entire thing and off we go again.
> 
> the entire purpose of raising this discussion here in an inflammatory
> fashion is - and was - to cause MAXIMUM damage to the Free Software
> Movement, by specifically exploiting a deliberate misinterpretation of
> Dr Stallman's words.
> 
> already we have witnessed several people abandon free software, from
> both a funding perspective and a moral / ethical perspective, *not
> realising that this is precisely what the attackers from the shadows
> wanted*.
> 
> when the thread *eventually* shuts down - after everyone is too
> exhausted to respond to the inflammatory comments raised by the plants
> - the team will congratulate themselves on a job well done, and move
> on to another forum.
> 
> if one doesn't exist, they'll work with the other intelligence field
> operatives - peers of Epstein - to *ENGINEER* another Minsky /
> Applebaum / Assange situation, and will work with that to continue to
> destroy the reputation of Free Software, "safe" in the knowledge that
> everyone will have forgotten the last "plausibly deniable" time that
> the team worked to deliberately inflame and destabilise Free Software
> Forums such as this one.
> 
> 
> if you - MARY-JANE - are an actual real person, you damn well should
> have known better than to make unjustified accusations.
> 
> MARY-JANE - double-barrelled name (two female forenames, in CAPITALS)
> just to make it absolutely clear that "you" are female.  your handlers
> most likely did a lot of research and have a database of the
> psychological impact of the surname associated with "you".  this then
> solicits sympathy and helps maximise the damage by the *deliberate*
> misinterpretation of Dr Stallman's words.
> 
> MARY-JANE - whom i have not seen apologise for the harm caused after
> several people explained that your words are a clearly defamatory
> misinterpretation of what Dr Stallman actually wrote.
> 
> this is how spycraft works.
> 
> engineer a situation - "groom" and "target" some high-profile
> individuals, exploit their weaknesses, blackmail them, then when it
> becomes exposed, have "plants" right across the internet post publicly
> and prominently, to express shock and outrage at the "exploitation" -
> sexual exploitation works *really* well...
> 
> Assange, Manning, Applebaum, Minsky... anyone seeing a pattern
> here?....
> 
> ... then when prominent high-profile individuals unknowingly get
> involved in the discussion [rms] HOO-RAAAH!  JACKPOT!! YESSS, let's
> *REALLY* go to town on them!  BONUS points for the team operative who
> can cause the most damage by way of misleading and false
> misinterpretation of *that* juicy conversation, woo!
> 
> 
> you - *all* of you - *need* to understand and appreciate that this is
> how discord is sown, by people who have no limits on what they will or
> will not do, except that, because they are maximally-effective from
> the shadows, their actions have to be "reasonably deniable"
> 
> this is actually extremely easy because the average person is simply
> INCAPABLE OF BELIEVING that another human being could actually
> WILLINGLY engage in, plan, and carry out such orchestrated,
> premeditated, unbelievably unethical, criminal and immoral behaviour,
> on a regular and ongoing basis.
> 
> yet this is just how spycraft works.  there *are* no moral, legal, or
> ethical limits.
> 
> so - ALL of you - need to be aware of this, and STOP reacting.
> remember what Software Freedom is about.  it's *not* actually about
> the software, it's about ethics *as applied* to software.
> 
> look up the definition of an ethical act.  "An act that increases
> truth, love, awareness or creativity (those being synonyms for the
> same underyling concept) for one or more people (including yourself),
> WITHOUT decreasing ANY of those same four qualities FOR ANYONE".
> 
> by that definition, do you think that abandoning Free Software,
> de-funding the FSF, or rejecting Dr Stallman and the life-long efforts
> he has gone to, is what you should be doing?
> 
> because if after aaaall of this discussion: if you do, you've been
> played.  or you're one of the players.  hello, yes, i know you're
> there, i know the tell-tale signs and signatures to look for.
> 
> 
> for you - the team behind these attacks: please research Robert David
> Steele.  we are human beings, and so are you.  we are not the
> "objects" and "targets" that your handlers describe us as which allows
> you to emotionally detach from the damage that you are doing to real,
> live, human beings.
> 
> that said: by making this request of you, i do appreciate that you are
> now in an impossible situation.  by working in the shadows, if you
> show a conscience and morally object to the work that you are doing,
> there is nothing that stops you from being executed, because nobody
> will even notice that you are gone.  you chose that life - you chose
> to live by the sword.  this is just how it is.  i get it.
> 
> so instead, just pass it up the chain.  quietly.  "Robert David
> Steele".  Navy Seal Captain and CIA Intelligence Director who
> advocates world-wide security through OPEN COLLABORATION.  don't do
> anything else, because *your* lives critically depend on doing what
> you're ordered to do, regardless of how criminally insane or morally
> objectionable that is.
> 
> unethical means *never* justify ethical ends.  by definition.  no
> matter what you've been told.
> 
> l.
> 
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Re: free software is under attack

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 12:52 PM Leah Rowe <info@minifree.org> wrote:
>
>
> I think most people are intelligent enough to realize that the article
> is bullshit.

indeed.  from this comment
https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=14804390&cid=59201724
Furthermore the deposition doesn't say she had sex with Minsky, only
that Epstein told her to do so, and according to physicist Greg
Benford she propositioned Minsky and he turned her down [archive.is]:
http://archive.is/nZIjt


which means that the intelligence operatives seriously underestimated
us.  that will, retrospectively, turn out to be their biggest mistake,
to assume that we are, collectively, a similar breed of human to the
"normal" people that they manipulate.

for me, their fake identities and the psychological profiles they
"present" stick out like sore thumbs.

the thing is - sadly - that there will also be *real people* whom you
know, personally, who are also intelligence operatives.  my father was
in the TM Movement: he and his friends were tasked with identifying a
CIA operative within their ranks.

it turned out to be the one person that everyone liked: the last
person that anyone expected.  except here, because of the
international nature of Free Software, it won't just be CIA
operatives.

so you - all of you - need to be aware of this.  that some of the
people that you've known, personally, for a long, long time, will be
working for Intelligence Agencies.  the thing is, though, that what
you *cannot* automatically assume is that they're *against* Free
Software!

Intelligence Agencies are extremely weird.  like any large
Corporation, they have schizophrenic tendencies.  China's Secret
Service is so secret that it doesn't even have a name: it operates
independently, along "Cell" lines.  the only way for politicians to
"contact" them is for an incident to occur and the politicians to make
a big news report complaining about what they're doing!

frickin hilarious.

anyway the point is: not *all* the people within Intelligence Agencies
have the same mandate.  the left hand *literally* does not know what
the right hand is doing.

therefore there will be some people working for Intelligence Agencies
who will *support* what you are doing!  whilst at the exact same
fricking time there are others working to *undermine* what you are
doing!

public spats like this are the only way that they really get to know
what the hell is going on, and get an opportunity to talk to their
superiors to get fuckers like the ones who caused Dr Stallman to
resign to back the fuck off.


> I greatly admire RMS. He is a good man. I've met him in person on
> several occasions. He comes off as rude but... yeah I guess he's
> probably just autistic like me.

this is why he needs - urgently - to get to an Autistic Centre with
24x7 living facilities and stay there.

> I wouldn't worry. People see inflammatory threads like this for what
> they are. People just hate drama, that's all.

leah: it's got a lot more serious.  i don't know if you've seen the news?
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/19/09/17/0446239/richard-stallman-resigns-from-mit#comments

that means that the next step - the next "phase" of the plan - will be
to get Dr Stallman alone, and either drug him or kill him then make it
look like "suicide".

he ABSOLUTELY cannot be allowed to be left unattended, for ANY period
of time.   even a few seconds alone with a single person is enough.

travel will be difficult - he will need to be in a convoy, with
multiple people with cameras and a variety of internet connectivity
methods.

by staying at a Centre for Autistic people, the message will be clear
to the public that he's actually *on* the Autistic Spectrum.  they
will then start to make the connection to people like Greta Thunberg.
some independent psychologists will start to make reports, and at that
point people will start to question what the hell is going on.

this is WAKE UP time people.

if you manage a large prominent privacy-respecting software project,
you WILL be the next target.

applebaum.
assange.
manning.
minsky.
stallman
you're next.

l.

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Re: URGENT URGENT URGENT - PLEASE GET WORD TO DR STALLMAN IMMEDIATELY

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 6:44 PM Danny Spitzberg <stationaery@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Like, literally murdered?

yes: that's what executed means.  a "kill order" - made to look like a
suicide - will be one of the potential scenarios desired by the kinds
of people who can consider, plan, organise and execute (follow through
with action) "suicides" for Espstein, rape "charges" for Assange, and
so on.

l.

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