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From: Valentino Giudice <valentino.giudice96@gmail.com>
To: Michael McMahon <michael@fsf.org>
Cc: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
Subject: Re: Minds.com
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 01:27:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANC0hWiu0QwrSf7UahYxE2VcdkNU=+AE0P+CVopV2WBEToDnhA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8ffb3902-33b2-7283-ba51-f1ea4acab528@fsf.org>


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Thank you a lot, Michael, this is quite interesting and something that I
should investigate further.
Indeed the "friendly-challenge" package uses "friendly-pow", which is no
good: https://github.com/FriendlyCaptcha/friendly-challenge/issues/159

I still think that Minds can be of significant interest for the FSF and the
free software community at large.

> Never heard of minds

First, I should mention that I have absolutely no affiliation with them
beyond merely having an account on their website.

Minds is a social media platform based in the United States which has
rather liberal policies compared to mainstream platforms such as Facebook
or X.

As I mentioned above, it's free software (although, now we know,
encumbered by the FriendlyCaptcha proprietary component). It uses the AGPL
license.

It attempts at decentralizing, but its attempts are IMHO mostly
unsuccessful.

However, as a centralized platform, I think it aligns with the principles
of the free software community (including freedom of speech and
transparency, beyond just software freedom) more so than other platforms,
including also X, which the FSF currently uses.

I still think that Minds has some significant shortcomings, which we can
help it overcome.
This includes the CAPTCHA test, which can be replaced with a similar
fully-free one, the fact that it doesn't currently comply with the text of
the GDPR (which doesn't mean it's bad for privacy, but does mean it's a
problem in the EU).
In some ways it's better than the Mastodon ecosystem because most Mastodon
instances are small and unreliable and have rules that are restrictive
beyond necessary.

Il giorno mer 20 set 2023 alle ore 22:34 Michael McMahon <michael@fsf.org>
ha scritto:

> Never heard of minds, but Friendly Captcha is deceivingly source
> available [1]. This is not apparent when you look at their main repository.
>
> [1] https://github.com/FriendlyCaptcha/friendly-pow/issues/13
>
> A previous commit [2] is free and it might still work.
>
> [2]
>
> https://github.com/FriendlyCaptcha/friendly-pow/tree/01a1c9c4aa858d3517881347c3328b67575029a7
>
> When I brought up this point, they deleted my comments.
>
> Best,
> Michael McMahon | Web Developer, Free Software Foundation
> GPG Key: 4337 2794 C8AD D5CA 8FCF  FA6C D037 59DA B600 E3C0
> https://fsf.org
>
> On 9/19/23 23:43, Valentino Giudice wrote:
> >     Given the recent conversation about Truth Social, as well as the fact
> >     that social media are a topic of interest for the FLOSS community,
> does
> >     anyone here use Minds?
> >     The platform is free software, including server-side.
> >     For a CAPTCHA, they use Friendly Captcha, which seems free
> client-side.
> >
> >
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   Thank you a lot, Michael, this is quite interesting and something that
   I should investigate further.
   Indeed the "friendly-challenge" package uses "friendly-pow", which is
   no
   good: [1]https://github.com/FriendlyCaptcha/friendly-challenge/issues/1
   59
   I still think that Minds can be of significant interest for the FSF and
   the free software community at large.
   > Never heard of minds
   First, I should mention that I have absolutely no affiliation with them
   beyond merely having an account on their website.
   Minds is a social media platform based in the United States which has
   rather liberal policies compared to mainstream platforms such as
   Facebook or X.
   As I mentioned above, it's free software (although, now we know,
   encumbered by the FriendlyCaptcha proprietary component). It uses the
   AGPL license.
   It attempts at decentralizing, but its attempts are IMHO mostly
   unsuccessful.
   However, as a centralized platform, I think it aligns with the
   principles of the free software community (including freedom of speech
   and transparency, beyond just software freedom) more so than other
   platforms, including also X, which the FSF currently uses.
   I still think that Minds has some significant shortcomings, which we
   can help it overcome.
   This includes the CAPTCHA test, which can be replaced with a similar
   fully-free one, the fact that it doesn't currently comply with the text
   of the GDPR (which doesn't mean it's bad for privacy, but does mean
   it's a problem in the EU).
   In some ways it's better than the Mastodon ecosystem because most
   Mastodon instances are small and unreliable and have rules that are
   restrictive beyond necessary.

   Il giorno mer 20 set 2023 alle ore 22:34 Michael McMahon
   <[2]michael@fsf.org> ha scritto:

     Never heard of minds, but Friendly Captcha is deceivingly source
     available [1]. This is not apparent when you look at their main
     repository.
     [1] [3]https://github.com/FriendlyCaptcha/friendly-pow/issues/13
     A previous commit [2] is free and it might still work.
     [2]
     [4]https://github.com/FriendlyCaptcha/friendly-pow/tree/01a1c9c4aa85
     8d3517881347c3328b67575029a7
     When I brought up this point, they deleted my comments.
     Best,
     Michael McMahon | Web Developer, Free Software Foundation
     GPG Key: 4337 2794 C8AD D5CA 8FCF  FA6C D037 59DA B600 E3C0
     [5]https://fsf.org
     On 9/19/23 23:43, Valentino Giudice wrote:
     >     Given the recent conversation about Truth Social, as well as
     the fact
     >     that social media are a topic of interest for the FLOSS
     community, does
     >     anyone here use Minds?
     >     The platform is free software, including server-side.
     >     For a CAPTCHA, they use Friendly Captcha, which seems free
     client-side.
     >
     >
     > _______________________________________________
     > libreplanet-discuss mailing list
     > [6]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
     >
     [7]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discus
     s
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     libreplanet-discuss mailing list
     [8]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
     [9]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discus
     s

References

   1. https://github.com/FriendlyCaptcha/friendly-challenge/issues/159
   2. mailto:michael@fsf.org
   3. https://github.com/FriendlyCaptcha/friendly-pow/issues/13
   4. https://github.com/FriendlyCaptcha/friendly-pow/tree/01a1c9c4aa858d3517881347c3328b67575029a7
   5. https://fsf.org/
   6. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
   7. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
   8. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
   9. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-21 15:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-20  3:43 Minds.com Valentino Giudice
2023-09-20 15:03 ` Minds.com Michael McMahon
2023-09-20 23:27   ` Valentino Giudice [this message]
2023-09-21 14:40     ` Minds.com Michael McMahon
2023-09-21 17:55       ` Minds.com Valentino Giudice
2023-09-21 18:26         ` Minds.com Michael McMahon
2023-09-21 21:45           ` Minds.com Valentino Giudice
2023-09-21 23:59       ` Minds.com Leland Best
2023-09-23  2:16         ` Minds.com Valentino Giudice
2023-09-21 23:33     ` Minds.com Ron Nazarov via libreplanet-discuss
2023-09-22  2:23       ` Minds.com Valentino Giudice

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