From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on starla X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB2A91F55F for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2023 15:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: dcvr.yhbt.net; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=20230601 header.b=V/tWhBTe; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qjLCT-0006XJ-II; Thu, 21 Sep 2023 11:02:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qj6bG-0006U4-43 for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2023 19:27:18 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-x634.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::634]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qj6bE-000690-27 for libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2023 19:27:17 -0400 Received: by mail-ej1-x634.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-9ad8a33fd0dso30963166b.3 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2023 16:27:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1695252434; x=1695857234; darn=libreplanet.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=AI+oycfVfAUUlCnLHoMNMfM+MyCUCQed67756aUOQQc=; b=V/tWhBTeJ9pByBjzKuDCkdPdGBaH4UYw7Q9mJ26+i1k+6xsgexBaGTrXs4HrCRfGS0 ErxL9JUFmHSxDgWfGW2Wq4EuGvQv1VzddgweR8g6sfTt21Ud5gQMFyiEukm0XkWm1ALX ufzz9dbyNWZt53UKnIeQmakOSMyszHO3tXkovRLqOpyu9+eae/bx4VpSeG8tHSpaXvLf 64xGlcUaHWQxj+bSlgeSixvPW6vbf5mqx2uUkXpLIhcd5pHPZGfvSmGVQuiVjduDr4Gb /LuusPe1PyBYqCHwYSnkg2j2lt/W+1EA8fHyOxtDtp2fWPN9poPjNdxufOD0abeKZkQQ IvIw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1695252434; x=1695857234; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=AI+oycfVfAUUlCnLHoMNMfM+MyCUCQed67756aUOQQc=; b=xHsPtRr7SOlt5O9XNCAuZmVcVFHGwTSH5gFCjAjOfPuXcuCA9mKHCRQIabVk4GLdNB T0VZMwnJcJG8tEHYWSiN5G6HP6AamXW3d/s4vUW+mOKN8PwK0RPMa4Sj2V9AGfwztfkV 1Xzu9axtU0Mqn2s8jscbAekQLsI1SKriTejRamwUVLAnW+kLNDuIn38hWyVlAKFjXE33 99gfb6IQOukLISsnGY3LSvU+ynjkImXBQtr3yEcCUxHbaUyzObH/BIqyPMjrkZOMGSoi yGbr4hydrCdZT6X59Nufa0dUKrYiADiWud/nz8lzgEqi1MsYR2POg0sclccQi3PjJwDD zsBw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyziQaOMmjvLGXCDD1/GvXGHfr52tkX4YcA0HxU7fpLDCtFRMl2 BEDupNfmQqhcFXNyyvm3EoVKXlUtwNG+hATZrRt3p89dArs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGP44kIGIUKtoiYJ7Jdi1m4eOL9zxM6ccXOLt9PxUCm6ZbMrjueZ5+AuYd5iJaqquxdBmu8GznToYF1w6QswBk= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:194:b0:9ae:5848:3f8e with SMTP id 20-20020a170906019400b009ae58483f8emr621869ejb.49.1695252433981; Wed, 20 Sep 2023 16:27:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8ffb3902-33b2-7283-ba51-f1ea4acab528@fsf.org> In-Reply-To: <8ffb3902-33b2-7283-ba51-f1ea4acab528@fsf.org> From: Valentino Giudice Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 01:27:01 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minds.com To: Michael McMahon Cc: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::634; envelope-from=valentino.giudice96@gmail.com; helo=mail-ej1-x634.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 11:02:39 -0400 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8075905597369981477==" Errors-To: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org Sender: libreplanet-discuss-bounces+e=80x24.org@libreplanet.org --===============8075905597369981477== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000021d5090605d2b745" --00000000000021d5090605d2b745 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thank you a lot, Michael, this is quite interesting and something that I should investigate further. Indeed the "friendly-challenge" package uses "friendly-pow", which is no good: https://github.com/FriendlyCaptcha/friendly-challenge/issues/159 I still think that Minds can be of significant interest for the FSF and the free software community at large. > Never heard of minds First, I should mention that I have absolutely no affiliation with them beyond merely having an account on their website. Minds is a social media platform based in the United States which has rather liberal policies compared to mainstream platforms such as Facebook or X. As I mentioned above, it's free software (although, now we know, encumbered by the FriendlyCaptcha proprietary component). It uses the AGPL license. It attempts at decentralizing, but its attempts are IMHO mostly unsuccessful. However, as a centralized platform, I think it aligns with the principles of the free software community (including freedom of speech and transparency, beyond just software freedom) more so than other platforms, including also X, which the FSF currently uses. I still think that Minds has some significant shortcomings, which we can help it overcome. This includes the CAPTCHA test, which can be replaced with a similar fully-free one, the fact that it doesn't currently comply with the text of the GDPR (which doesn't mean it's bad for privacy, but does mean it's a problem in the EU). In some ways it's better than the Mastodon ecosystem because most Mastodon instances are small and unreliable and have rules that are restrictive beyond necessary. Il giorno mer 20 set 2023 alle ore 22:34 Michael McMahon ha scritto: > Never heard of minds, but Friendly Captcha is deceivingly source > available [1]. This is not apparent when you look at their main repository. > > [1] https://github.com/FriendlyCaptcha/friendly-pow/issues/13 > > A previous commit [2] is free and it might still work. > > [2] > > https://github.com/FriendlyCaptcha/friendly-pow/tree/01a1c9c4aa858d3517881347c3328b67575029a7 > > When I brought up this point, they deleted my comments. > > Best, > Michael McMahon | Web Developer, Free Software Foundation > GPG Key: 4337 2794 C8AD D5CA 8FCF FA6C D037 59DA B600 E3C0 > https://fsf.org > > On 9/19/23 23:43, Valentino Giudice wrote: > > Given the recent conversation about Truth Social, as well as the fact > > that social media are a topic of interest for the FLOSS community, > does > > anyone here use Minds? > > The platform is free software, including server-side. > > For a CAPTCHA, they use Friendly Captcha, which seems free > client-side. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > > libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org > > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss > --00000000000021d5090605d2b745 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thank you a lot, Michael, this is quite interesting and something that I should investigate further. Indeed the "friendly-challenge" package uses "friendly-pow", which is no good: [1]https://github.com/FriendlyCaptcha/friendly-challenge/issues/1 59 I still think that Minds can be of significant interest for the FSF and the free software community at large. > Never heard of minds First, I should mention that I have absolutely no affiliation with them beyond merely having an account on their website. Minds is a social media platform based in the United States which has rather liberal policies compared to mainstream platforms such as Facebook or X. As I mentioned above, it's free software (although, now we know, encumbered by the FriendlyCaptcha proprietary component). It uses the AGPL license. It attempts at decentralizing, but its attempts are IMHO mostly unsuccessful. However, as a centralized platform, I think it aligns with the principles of the free software community (including freedom of speech and transparency, beyond just software freedom) more so than other platforms, including also X, which the FSF currently uses. I still think that Minds has some significant shortcomings, which we can help it overcome. This includes the CAPTCHA test, which can be replaced with a similar fully-free one, the fact that it doesn't currently comply with the text of the GDPR (which doesn't mean it's bad for privacy, but does mean it's a problem in the EU). In some ways it's better than the Mastodon ecosystem because most Mastodon instances are small and unreliable and have rules that are restrictive beyond necessary. Il giorno mer 20 set 2023 alle ore 22:34 Michael McMahon <[2]michael@fsf.org> ha scritto: Never heard of minds, but Friendly Captcha is deceivingly source available [1]. This is not apparent when you look at their main repository. [1] [3]https://github.com/FriendlyCaptcha/friendly-pow/issues/13 A previous commit [2] is free and it might still work. [2] [4]https://github.com/FriendlyCaptcha/friendly-pow/tree/01a1c9c4aa85 8d3517881347c3328b67575029a7 When I brought up this point, they deleted my comments. Best, Michael McMahon | Web Developer, Free Software Foundation GPG Key: 4337 2794 C8AD D5CA 8FCF FA6C D037 59DA B600 E3C0 [5]https://fsf.org On 9/19/23 23:43, Valentino Giudice wrote: > Given the recent conversation about Truth Social, as well as the fact > that social media are a topic of interest for the FLOSS community, does > anyone here use Minds? > The platform is free software, including server-side. > For a CAPTCHA, they use Friendly Captcha, which seems free client-side. > > > _______________________________________________ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > [6]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org > [7]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discus s _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list [8]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org [9]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discus s References 1. https://github.com/FriendlyCaptcha/friendly-challenge/issues/159 2. mailto:michael@fsf.org 3. https://github.com/FriendlyCaptcha/friendly-pow/issues/13 4. https://github.com/FriendlyCaptcha/friendly-pow/tree/01a1c9c4aa858d3517881347c3328b67575029a7 5. https://fsf.org/ 6. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org 7. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss 8. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org 9. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss --00000000000021d5090605d2b745-- --===============8075905597369981477== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KbGlicmVwbGFu ZXQtZGlzY3VzcyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKbGlicmVwbGFuZXQtZGlzY3Vzc0BsaWJyZXBsYW5ldC5v cmcKaHR0cHM6Ly9saXN0cy5saWJyZXBsYW5ldC5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9saWJyZXBs YW5ldC1kaXNjdXNzCg== --===============8075905597369981477==--