Re: Moving Forward

[Deb Nicholson <deb@eximiousproductions.com>]

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On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 10:46 AM 'smee <overthefalls@opengroupware.ch>
wrote:

> Quote from you:
> "The outrage (and demand for new leadership) is coming from real women
> who
> have tried to participate in free software and been rebuffed by sexist
> behavior who felt that perhaps at this moment they might *finally* be
> heard."
>
>
> Please give examples giving details of how these people were
> 'rebuffed'. What exactly were they trying to do when they were
> rebuffed?
>
> Serious question. Were they submitting code? Were they doing QA work?
> Which project rebuffed them and what was the reason given?
>
> I think most projects (especially those conscientious enough to be in
> the free software movement) would be happy to have contributions from
> anyone and don't go out of their way to even find out the sex of
> contributors, much less 'rebuff' them for being a particular sex.
> And, the funny thing is, these contributors could fork the code, call
> out the sexism, and basically take over the code of any project they
> were interested in. Anyone in free software knows this, it gives a
> peaceful solution to these type of situations.
>
> Why attack the FSF and RMS?
>

I have not attacked the FSF.


>
> Epstein is the horrible piece of trash (as well as all of his
> associates) that committed the worst atrocities we've heard of recently
> against women.
>
> Let's not take attention away from that fact or the fact that he is
> likely still alive, and that Ghislaine Maxwell is still free and,
> seemingly won't ever be charged or even approached about this. She is
> trash and shouldn't be allowed to show her face anywhere in the world
> again for being his accomplice.
>
> Let's keep the spotlight where it belongs (epstein, maxwell, everyone
> including judges and politicians who helped him) when it comes to all
> the things you're accusing RMS of. Those are the real animals. I'm
> starting to think this whole thing is a distraction from those pieces
> of garbage. What do you think people? Don't forget EPSTEIN and MAXWELL
> should continue to be the focus until that thing is actually resolved.
>
> @ Deb Nicholson, I have a number of questions above, if you insist on
> your assertion, then provide what I've requested please.
>

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> On Tue, 2019-09-24 at 09:13 -0400, Deb Nicholson wrote:
> > The outrage (and demand for new leadership) is coming from real women
> > who
> > have tried to participate in free software and been rebuffed by
> > sexist
> > behavior who felt that perhaps at this moment they might *finally* be
> > heard.
>

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   On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 10:46 AM 'smee
   <[1]overthefalls@opengroupware.ch> wrote:

     Quote from you:
     "The outrage (and demand for new leadership) is coming from real
     women
     who
     have tried to participate in free software and been rebuffed by
     sexist
     behavior who felt that perhaps at this moment they might *finally*
     be
     heard."
     Please give examples giving details of how these people were
     'rebuffed'. What exactly were they trying to do when they were
     rebuffed?
     Serious question. Were they submitting code? Were they doing QA
     work?
     Which project rebuffed them and what was the reason given?
     I think most projects (especially those conscientious enough to be
     in
     the free software movement) would be happy to have contributions
     from
     anyone and don't go out of their way to even find out the sex of
     contributors, much less 'rebuff' them for being a particular sex.
     And, the funny thing is, these contributors could fork the code,
     call
     out the sexism, and basically take over the code of any project they
     were interested in. Anyone in free software knows this, it gives a
     peaceful solution to these type of situations.
     Why attack the FSF and RMS?

   I have not attacked the FSF.

     Epstein is the horrible piece of trash (as well as all of his
     associates) that committed the worst atrocities we've heard of
     recently
     against women.
     Let's not take attention away from that fact or the fact that he is
     likely still alive, and that Ghislaine Maxwell is still free and,
     seemingly won't ever be charged or even approached about this. She
     is
     trash and shouldn't be allowed to show her face anywhere in the
     world
     again for being his accomplice.
     Let's keep the spotlight where it belongs (epstein, maxwell,
     everyone
     including judges and politicians who helped him) when it comes to
     all
     the things you're accusing RMS of. Those are the real animals. I'm
     starting to think this whole thing is a distraction from those
     pieces
     of garbage. What do you think people? Don't forget EPSTEIN and
     MAXWELL
     should continue to be the focus until that thing is actually
     resolved.
     @ Deb Nicholson, I have a number of questions above, if you insist
     on
     your assertion, then provide what I've requested please.

     On Tue, 2019-09-24 at 09:13 -0400, Deb Nicholson wrote:
     > The outrage (and demand for new leadership) is coming from real
     women
     > who
     > have tried to participate in free software and been rebuffed by
     > sexist
     > behavior who felt that perhaps at this moment they might *finally*
     be
     > heard.

References

   1. mailto:overthefalls@opengroupware.ch

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