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From: Luna Jernberg <droidbittin@gmail.com>
To: libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
Subject: Re: Announcing Zoë Kooyman as our new executive director
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2022 19:56:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADo9pHiQN5mjm_B82pebEgLeWHe4VehwTvCA3u4yxOafx46NCw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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On This Week on Linux this Week Episode #188

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 7:54 PM Jacob Hrbek <kreyren@rixotstudio.cz> wrote:

>    [cid:part1.MjglHH1U.KqXqDFhM@rixotstudio.cz]
>
>    > I too found your post rather insulting. Not for questioning her
>    existence. That I can chalk up to joke. More for the "nor saw her to do
>    anything in Free Software" comment. I know she does work for
>    LibrePlanet. I suspect she can be found in a number of the videos for
>    previous years.
>    I was more like talking about this^
>    There is like no information about her (that i can find) the only
>    things are FSF quoting what she allegedly said in a blog posts, she
>    never talks to anyone on IRC or in mailing lists (i never seen her talk
>    and neither did the 5 people that i asked), she doesn't even respond to
>    people congratulating her here to replace RMS and the first thing that
>    comes up about her on the internet is OSI website
>    I didn't meant to be insulting or disrespectful, but she doesn't strike
>    me as a trustworthy person in relation to FSF and Free Software
>    movement nor as someone who cares about it at all and is just mostly
>    used by FSF to show that they have a _one_ women in the team to avoid
>    people like me accusing them of gender inequality (which they are and
>    more steps should be taken about it)..
>    Like what could possibly be the reasoning for her to be the person to
>    be in such a critical position especially when there are people that
>    are most likely significantly more qualified such as Ian Kelling?
>    I would at least think that FSF would actually go on it's promise to
>    make the role election democratic and allowed the associate members to
>    vote on candidates.
>    that said i will most likely support her if RMS supports her to be in
>    such position
>    On 3/4/22 16:40, Lori Nagel wrote:
>
>    Congratulations to Zoë Kooyman.  I look forward to a massive scaling of
>    the free software movement.
>
>    On Thursday, March 3, 2022, 11:54:33 AM EST, Dennis Payne
>    [1]<dulsi@identicalsoftware.com> wrote:
>    I too found your post rather insulting. Not for questioning her
>    existence. That I can chalk up to joke. More for the "nor saw her to do
>    anything in Free Software" comment. I know she does work for
>    LibrePlanet. I suspect she can be found in a number of the videos for
>    previous years.
>    On Thu, 2022-03-03 at 05:19 +0000, Jacob Hrbek wrote:
>    > For context i am arguing for a long time (like 4 years now?) for FSF
>    > to
>    > be more gender equal where each time i bring that issue up everyone
>    > starts with "oh there is zoe! we are very gender equal, because zoe!
>    > and
>    > we always supported gender equality", but when i ping her on IRC or
>    > try
>    > to talk to her she never responds, i never saw her talk to anyone on
>    > IRC, i couldn't find her doing anything in terms of free software and
>    > everyone always starts yelling at me for daring to try to talk to her
>    > or
>    > about her.
>    >
>    > at least from my experience thus the question.. wasn't meant to be
>    > disrespectful if zoe is really a real person then this is a major
>    > milestone for FSF to name a women as an executive director which i
>    > fully
>    > support and argue for more gender equality.
>    >
>    > On 3/2/22 22:52, mray wrote:
>    > >
>    > >
>    > > On 02.03.22 16:47, Jacob Hrbek wrote:
>    > > > was i disrespectable? If so my apologies
>    > >
>    > > When asked to welcome a new representative you react with
>    > > questioning
>    > > the mere existe
>    > nce of said person. That seems like a totally normal
>    > > welcoming and respectable thing. At least here, I guess? :D
>    > >
>    > > On my way out I'll gladly take those apologies as some kind of an
>    > > inside joke.
>    > >
>    > > I'm off, too.
>    >
>    > --
>    > Jacob Hrbek, In support of ukraine sovereignty #supportUkraine
>    >
>    > _______________________________________________
>    > libreplanet-discuss mailing list
>    > [2]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
>    > [3]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
>    _______________________________________________
>    libreplanet-discuss mailing list
>    [4]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
>    [5]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
>
> --
> Jacob Hrbek, In support of ukraine sovereignty #supportUkraine
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:dulsi@identicalsoftware.com
>    2. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
>    3. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
>    4. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
>    5. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
> _______________________________________________
> libreplanet-discuss mailing list
> libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
> https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
>

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   On This Week on Linux this Week Episode #188

   On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 7:54 PM Jacob Hrbek <[1]kreyren@rixotstudio.cz>
   wrote:

        [[2]cid:part1.MjglHH1U.KqXqDFhM@rixotstudio.cz]
        > I too found your post rather insulting. Not for questioning her
        existence. That I can chalk up to joke. More for the "nor saw her
     to do
        anything in Free Software" comment. I know she does work for
        LibrePlanet. I suspect she can be found in a number of the videos
     for
        previous years.
        I was more like talking about this^
        There is like no information about her (that i can find) the only
        things are FSF quoting what she allegedly said in a blog posts,
     she
        never talks to anyone on IRC or in mailing lists (i never seen
     her talk
        and neither did the 5 people that i asked), she doesn't even
     respond to
        people congratulating her here to replace RMS and the first thing
     that
        comes up about her on the internet is OSI website
        I didn't meant to be insulting or disrespectful, but she doesn't
     strike
        me as a trustworthy person in relation to FSF and Free Software
        movement nor as someone who cares about it at all and is just
     mostly
        used by FSF to show that they have a _one_ women in the team to
     avoid
        people like me accusing them of gender inequality (which they are
     and
        more steps should be taken about it)..
        Like what could possibly be the reasoning for her to be the
     person to
        be in such a critical position especially when there are people
     that
        are most likely significantly more qualified such as Ian Kelling?
        I would at least think that FSF would actually go on it's promise
     to
        make the role election democratic and allowed the associate
     members to
        vote on candidates.
        that said i will most likely support her if RMS supports her to
     be in
        such position
        On 3/4/22 16:40, Lori Nagel wrote:
        Congratulations to Zoë Kooyman.  I look forward to a massive
     scaling of
        the free software movement.
        On Thursday, March 3, 2022, 11:54:33 AM EST, Dennis Payne
        [1]<[3]dulsi@identicalsoftware.com> wrote:
        I too found your post rather insulting. Not for questioning her
        existence. That I can chalk up to joke. More for the "nor saw her
     to do
        anything in Free Software" comment. I know she does work for
        LibrePlanet. I suspect she can be found in a number of the videos
     for
        previous years.
        On Thu, 2022-03-03 at 05:19 +0000, Jacob Hrbek wrote:
        > For context i am arguing for a long time (like 4 years now?)
     for FSF
        > to
        > be more gender equal where each time i bring that issue up
     everyone
        > starts with "oh there is zoe! we are very gender equal, because
     zoe!
        > and
        > we always supported gender equality", but when i ping her on
     IRC or
        > try
        > to talk to her she never responds, i never saw her talk to
     anyone on
        > IRC, i couldn't find her doing anything in terms of free
     software and
        > everyone always starts yelling at me for daring to try to talk
     to her
        > or
        > about her.
        >
        > at least from my experience thus the question.. wasn't meant to
     be
        > disrespectful if zoe is really a real person then this is a
     major
        > milestone for FSF to name a women as an executive director
     which i
        > fully
        > support and argue for more gender equality.
        >
        > On 3/2/22 22:52, mray wrote:
        > >
        > >
        > > On 02.03.22 16:47, Jacob Hrbek wrote:
        > > > was i disrespectable? If so my apologies
        > >
        > > When asked to welcome a new representative you react with
        > > questioning
        > > the mere existe
        > nce of said person. That seems like a totally normal
        > > welcoming and respectable thing. At least here, I guess? :D
        > >
        > > On my way out I'll gladly take those apologies as some kind
     of an
        > > inside joke.
        > >
        > > I'm off, too.
        >
        > --
        > Jacob Hrbek, In support of ukraine sovereignty #supportUkraine
        >
        > _______________________________________________
        > libreplanet-discuss mailing list
        > [2][4]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
        >
     [3][5]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-dis
     cuss
        _______________________________________________
        libreplanet-discuss mailing list
        [4][6]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org

     [5][7]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-dis
     cuss
     --
     Jacob Hrbek, In support of ukraine sovereignty #supportUkraine
     References
        1. mailto:[8]dulsi@identicalsoftware.com
        2. mailto:[9]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
        3.
     [10]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discu
     ss
        4. mailto:[11]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
        5.
     [12]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discu
     ss
     _______________________________________________
     libreplanet-discuss mailing list
     [13]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
     [14]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discu
     ss

References

   1. mailto:kreyren@rixotstudio.cz
   2. mailto:cid:part1.MjglHH1U.KqXqDFhM@rixotstudio.cz
   3. mailto:dulsi@identicalsoftware.com
   4. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
   5. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
   6. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
   7. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
   8. mailto:dulsi@identicalsoftware.com
   9. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
  10. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
  11. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
  12. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
  13. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org
  14. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-06  0:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-01 20:32 Announcing Zoë Kooyman as our new executive director Greg Farough
2022-03-01 20:37 ` Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss
2022-03-01 20:51 ` Jorge P. de Morais Neto via libreplanet-discuss
2022-03-02  0:11 ` Matt Ivie
2022-03-02  0:50 ` Adrien Bourmault via libreplanet-discuss
2022-03-02 15:35   ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-03-02 15:46     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2022-03-02 15:47       ` Jacob Hrbek
     [not found]         ` <ca97ed73-f252-e071-b2e4-1eaa8d5d0847@mray.de>
2022-03-03  5:19           ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-03-03 16:22             ` Dennis Payne
2022-03-04 15:40               ` Lori Nagel via libreplanet-discuss
2022-03-04 16:17                 ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-03-05 18:56                   ` Luna Jernberg [this message]
2022-03-02 17:55       ` Jean Louis
2022-03-02 17:48 ` Valessio Brito

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