* Help with JavaScript
@ 2019-03-20 5:41 Cal
2019-03-20 16:26 ` John Sullivan
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From: Cal @ 2019-03-20 5:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: libreplanet-discuss
I can send messages to website maintainers all day telling them that
their site doesn't work without (non-free) JavaScript, but they don't
help me use the site/program/service.
Is there anywhere I can go to report websites that don't work, and ask
for help in finding a work around or getting it to work somehow?
Is there a pool of programmers I can donate to, who can reverse-engineer
JavaScript that's reported to not work?
I feel guilty every time I click a link and select "non-free" whenever
Abrowser says "Choose User Profile".
Stuff that's hard to do:
1. Looking for a job
2. Applying for a job
3. Accepting an e-invitation to a party
4. Explaining to the hosts why I called/emailed instead of let
everybody know I was coming by the invite.
5. Preparing for a ham radio license (practice materials are only on
the Web, it seems)
6. Taking Yiddish lessons. (All teachers use either Skype, Adobe
Connect, or Google Hangouts.)
7. Getting involved with the local gay community center.
Workarounds:
1. Look around town, ask people if there are openings anywhere.
2. Reject most openings and go only for the employers that let you use
their kiosk or paper applications.
3. Don't respond to the RSVP, get everyone's attention a day before the
party and announce to everyone, in person, that you will be
attending the party and will bring food. OR Don't respond to the
RSVP, call/email the organizer and say you'll be attending, refuse
to RSVP again when she bothers you about it, and show up anyway
unannounced.
4. Dodge the question by saying "I don't use computers on Shabbos."
5. Study from a book and ask someone who has already taken the test to
quiz me.
6. Go all the way to New York and take Workmen's CIrcle's Yiddish
lessons in person. (Expensive.) or settle for YouTube courses with
no peers or teachers to interact with to practice.
7. Leave my email and phone number with the receptionist and hopes he
passes it on to whoever organizes the meeting I want to attend but
can't, because the contact information is obscured by Meetup.com
unless I join.
I doubt many of these will work. Finding workarounds is hard. We should
have a section on the LibrePlanet wiki dedicated to them.
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* Re: Help with JavaScript
2019-03-20 5:41 Help with JavaScript Cal
@ 2019-03-20 16:26 ` John Sullivan
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From: John Sullivan @ 2019-03-20 16:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Cal; +Cc: libreplanet-discuss
Cal <csh@bluehome.net> writes:
> I can send messages to website maintainers all day telling them that
> their site doesn't work without (non-free) JavaScript, but they don't
> help me use the site/program/service.
>
> Is there anywhere I can go to report websites that don't work, and ask
> for help in finding a work around or getting it to work somehow?
>
> Is there a pool of programmers I can donate to, who can reverse-engineer
> JavaScript that's reported to not work?
>
You can expect to see more from the FSF on this in the near future,
especially now that GNU LibreJS is doing well.
But of course you don't have to wait for us to organize activity in this
area. We do have spots on the LibrePlanet wiki about it -- start with
https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Free_Javascript_Action_Team. It
definitely needs some updating and some energy.
One hugely helpful thing people with JavaScript familiarity can do is to
submit patches to popular upstream frameworks/platforms to properly
convey the license info of their JavaScript. That will have an enormous
impact, as it will fix many sites that in turn use those frameworks and
platforms.
-john
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* Re: Help with JavaScript
@ 2019-03-21 21:48 Arthur Torrey
2019-03-22 0:18 ` Thomas Harding
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From: Arthur Torrey @ 2019-03-21 21:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: csh, libreplanet-discuss
Suggestion on the ham thing from a non-ham... Look up "Andy's Ham Radio Linux" - it is an Ubuntu derived distro with every decent ham related Free / Open program he could find and make work, plus the standard utilities with a focus on being 'older hardware useful'...
He is a long time ham, and in addition to maintaining the distro, has taken over maintainer duties for some programs that were otherwise abandoned, and has also created a few Linux programs to enable use of ham hardware that the manufacturer had only made software for that other O/S - I don't know if it would be 'Free' by Richards standards, as he basically works with whatever info about how to talk to the stuff that the manufacturer is willing to give him... I think it includes some of the 'fox-hunt' transmitters, and some programmable radios...
He is a 'name' in the ham world for his distro, at least as I understand it.
Andy also runs a Linux Meetup in Chelmsford, MA if that is local for you...
ART
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I can send messages to website maintainers all day telling them that
their site doesn't work without (non-free) JavaScript, but they don't
help me use the site/program/service.
Stuff that's hard to do:
5. Preparing for a ham radio license (practice materials are only on
the Web, it seems)
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* Re: Help with JavaScript
2019-03-21 21:48 Arthur Torrey
@ 2019-03-22 0:18 ` Thomas Harding
2019-03-22 3:33 ` Dave Hunt
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From: Thomas Harding @ 2019-03-22 0:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: libreplanet-discuss
Debian hamradio is still maintained too, as a dedicated distro as a packages set, and offers free/non-free/contrib insulation, in opposite to ubuntu (derived) distros :
https://packages.debian.org/stable/hamradio/
Le 21 mars 2019 22:48:18 GMT+01:00, Arthur Torrey <arthur_torrey@comcast.net> a écrit :
>Suggestion on the ham thing from a non-ham... Look up "Andy's Ham
>Radio Linux" - it is an Ubuntu derived distro with every decent ham
>related Free / Open program he could find and make work, plus the
>standard utilities with a focus on being 'older hardware useful'...
>
>He is a long time ham, and in addition to maintaining the distro, has
>taken over maintainer duties for some programs that were otherwise
>abandoned, and has also created a few Linux programs to enable use of
>ham hardware that the manufacturer had only made software for that
>other O/S - I don't know if it would be 'Free' by Richards standards,
>as he basically works with whatever info about how to talk to the stuff
>that the manufacturer is willing to give him... I think it includes
>some of the 'fox-hunt' transmitters, and some programmable radios...
>
>He is a 'name' in the ham world for his distro, at least as I
>understand it.
>
>Andy also runs a Linux Meetup in Chelmsford, MA if that is local for
>you...
>
>ART
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>Arthur Torrey - <arthur_torrey@comcast.net>
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>Subject: [libreplanet-discuss] Help with JavaScript
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>I can send messages to website maintainers all day telling them that
>their site doesn't work without (non-free) JavaScript, but they don't
>help me use the site/program/service.
>
>Stuff that's hard to do:
>
>5. Preparing for a ham radio license (practice materials are only on
>the Web, it seems)
>
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