* Easy to understand way of getting a new computer already setup out of the box as close as can be to rms' principles. @ 2019-09-24 2:59 Don Warner Saklad 2019-09-24 4:55 ` Thomas Lord 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Don Warner Saklad @ 2019-09-24 2:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss, Don Warner Saklad Looking for an easier to understand way of getting a new desktop computer already setup out of the box as close as can be to rms' principles. The information so far has been with difficulties, technical for the novice acquiring a computer. _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Easy to understand way of getting a new computer already setup out of the box as close as can be to rms' principles. 2019-09-24 2:59 Easy to understand way of getting a new computer already setup out of the box as close as can be to rms' principles Don Warner Saklad @ 2019-09-24 4:55 ` Thomas Lord 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Thomas Lord @ 2019-09-24 4:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Don Warner Saklad; +Cc: libreplanet-discuss [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1130 bytes --] This, what Don wrote (copied below)! When I wrote earlier about making practical, free systems and getting them deployed -- e.g. in preparation for forseeable, huge changes in society due to the climate emergency -- this very basic thing is what I think both the FSF and the GNU project would do well to focus on. The FSF web site is utterly useless here, for nearly everyone. The GNU project could benefit from more and better documentation, tutorials, training materials that others can use to teach, nice stable releases, etc. Minimalism is fine. Email, file sharing, maybe even netnews with trusted peers to start. -t On 2019-09-23 19:59, Don Warner Saklad wrote: > Looking for an easier to understand way of getting a new desktop > computer already setup out of the box as close as can be to rms' > principles. > > The information so far has been with difficulties, > technical for the novice acquiring a computer. > > _______________________________________________ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/plain, Size: 1308 bytes --] This, what Don wrote (copied below)! When I wrote earlier about making practical, free systems and getting them deployed -- e.g. in preparation for forseeable, huge changes in society due to the climate emergency -- this very basic thing is what I think both the FSF and the GNU project would do well to focus on. The FSF web site is utterly useless here, for nearly everyone. The GNU project could benefit from more and better documentation, tutorials, training materials that others can use to teach, nice stable releases, etc. Minimalism is fine. Email, file sharing, maybe even netnews with trusted peers to start. -t On 2019-09-23 19:59, Don Warner Saklad wrote: Looking for an easier to understand way of getting a new desktop computer already setup out of the box as close as can be to rms' principles. The information so far has been with difficulties, technical for the novice acquiring a computer. _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list [1]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org [2]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss References 1. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org 2. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 183 bytes --] _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Easy to understand way of getting a new computer already setup out of the box as close as can be to rms' principles. @ 2019-09-24 8:08 Federico Leva (Nemo) 2019-09-24 17:41 ` Thomas Lord 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Federico Leva (Nemo) @ 2019-09-24 8:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: libreplanet-discuss The way I find the answer is usually this: https://www.fsf.org/resources/ (third link) → https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw → https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom → various links including <https://tehnoetic.com/TET-X200>, <https://store.vikings.net/libre-friendly-hardware/x200-ryf-certfied>, <https://minifree.org/product/libreboot-x200/>. Does this satisfy your requirements and do you think it's easy enough? Do you have suggestions for different ways to provide this information? Federico P.s.: I had to copy the Message-ID from the mbox archive _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Easy to understand way of getting a new computer already setup out of the box as close as can be to rms' principles. 2019-09-24 8:08 Federico Leva (Nemo) @ 2019-09-24 17:41 ` Thomas Lord 2019-09-24 18:08 ` Federico Leva (Nemo) 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Thomas Lord @ 2019-09-24 17:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Federico Leva (Nemo); +Cc: libreplanet-discuss [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2318 bytes --] No, that is not what I'm hoping to see. Very few people will ever find those links and fewer still have the knowledge to know how to use that information. Here is a scenario for thought experiment purposes: I have a minor role in Berkeley politics. In this capacity, I sometimes have occasion to try to interest the "real" politicians in software freedom, both for their own use and for official use by the City. One problem is that there is no material I've ever found on the fsf.org website that serves as a good starting point for people. I can't just "give them a link". The next problem arises if someone wants to try getting started. Even if I hand them a pre-loaded device, there is no GNU material to teach them basic GNU (originally unix) concepts, basic system administration, and so on. Or similarly, consider the City IT department - a microsoft shop through and through. Good luck finding training materials they can adopt and adapt if they want to put GNU systems on staff desktops, or get away from proprietary software on City servers. None of these very basic elements are present but my belief is that they would go a long way to spreading software freedom. If GNU, with *help* from the FSF worked on that, one strategy might be to start with very minimal systems -- nearly "classic unix-like" and little more -- simply to get a really solid foundation in place, and build from there. -t On 2019-09-24 01:08, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > The way I find the answer is usually this: https://www.fsf.org/resources/ (third link) → https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw → https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom → various links including <https://tehnoetic.com/TET-X200>, <https://store.vikings.net/libre-friendly-hardware/x200-ryf-certfied>, <https://minifree.org/product/libreboot-x200/>. > > Does this satisfy your requirements and do you think it's easy enough? Do you have suggestions for different ways to provide this information? > > Federico > > P.s.: I had to copy the Message-ID from the mbox archive > > _______________________________________________ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/plain, Size: 2838 bytes --] No, that is not what I'm hoping to see. Very few people will ever find those links and fewer still have the knowledge to know how to use that information. Here is a scenario for thought experiment purposes: I have a minor role in Berkeley politics. In this capacity, I sometimes have occasion to try to interest the "real" politicians in software freedom, both for their own use and for official use by the City. One problem is that there is no material I've ever found on the fsf.org website that serves as a good starting point for people. I can't just "give them a link". The next problem arises if someone wants to try getting started. Even if I hand them a pre-loaded device, there is no GNU material to teach them basic GNU (originally unix) concepts, basic system administration, and so on. Or similarly, consider the City IT department - a microsoft shop through and through. Good luck finding training materials they can adopt and adapt if they want to put GNU systems on staff desktops, or get away from proprietary software on City servers. None of these very basic elements are present but my belief is that they would go a long way to spreading software freedom. If GNU, with *help* from the FSF worked on that, one strategy might be to start with very minimal systems -- nearly "classic unix-like" and little more -- simply to get a really solid foundation in place, and build from there. -t On 2019-09-24 01:08, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: The way I find the answer is usually this: [1]https://www.fsf.org/resources/ (third link) → [2]https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw → [3]https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom → various links including <[4]https://tehnoetic.com/TET-X200>, <[5]https://store.vikings.net/libre-friendly-hardware/x200-ryf-certfied >, <[6]https://minifree.org/product/libreboot-x200/>. Does this satisfy your requirements and do you think it's easy enough? Do you have suggestions for different ways to provide this information? Federico P.s.: I had to copy the Message-ID from the mbox archive _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list [7]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org [8]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss References 1. https://www.fsf.org/resources/ 2. https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw 3. https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom 4. https://tehnoetic.com/TET-X200 5. https://store.vikings.net/libre-friendly-hardware/x200-ryf-certfied 6. https://minifree.org/product/libreboot-x200/ 7. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org 8. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 183 bytes --] _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Easy to understand way of getting a new computer already setup out of the box as close as can be to rms' principles. 2019-09-24 17:41 ` Thomas Lord @ 2019-09-24 18:08 ` Federico Leva (Nemo) 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Federico Leva (Nemo) @ 2019-09-24 18:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thomas Lord; +Cc: libreplanet-discuss Thomas Lord, 24/09/19 20:41: > Very few people will ever find those links and fewer still have the > knowledge to know how to use that information. Can you clarify? Are you saying they wouldn't be able to use a pretty standard webshop, or that the offer doesn't satisfy their needs? > [...] Or similarly, consider the City IT > department - a microsoft shop through and through. Good luck finding > training materials they can adopt and adapt if they want to put GNU > systems on staff desktops, or get away from proprietary software on City > servers. This is certainly more complicated. It's usually not enough to provide documentation: you need thorough analysis and development, in-person training, support, social change management etc. The Document Foundation has a protocol for the migration to LibreOffice and some advice on migration consultants. https://web.archive.org/web/20170622191021/https://www.documentfoundation.org/assets/Certification/tdf-migrationprotocol.pdf https://www.documentfoundation.org/gethelp/migrators/ It's a lot of work and it needs to be done properly. There are some examples one can copy from various large public administrations around the world but there is no one size fits all process. Federico _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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