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From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu>
Cc: Liam Stitt <stittl@cuug.ab.ca>,
	GNU C Library <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
	Mike <michael@rmrco.com>
Subject: Re: C-kermit fails
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:07:55 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f44458fd-1a4e-5f0d-7498-6f23548cb2c1@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKqtx99o_Rh1UHN=TZ12czdys=OqJQhhjN_+E4X1w4kgrVamTA@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/24/20 12:41 PM, Frank da Cruz wrote:
> So casually removing something from
> your header files is kind of like a COVID-19 virus

This strikes me as a bit unfair, as those parts of the header files have always 
been explicitly private.

Zack is right that C-Kermit's best bet for portability/reliability is to remove 
uses of getchar/getc. This would render unnecessary that unportable cruft in 
ckucmd.c.

If age and experience is a qualification for an opinion here, I will confess 
that I've also been writing code since the 1960s, and my opinion is that 
programs that stick their fingers into stdio's internals bear the responsibility 
for the consequences. And I write this despite helping to maintain code (Gnulib) 
that does exactly what C-Kermit's ckucmd.c does. When the new glibc came out the 
Gnulib developers didn't complain that glibc's changes were "like a COVID-19 
virus"; we simply adapted Gnulib and moved on.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-07-24 21:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-24 16:29 C-kermit fails Mike
2020-07-24 16:33 ` Florian Weimer
2020-07-24 17:36 ` Zack Weinberg
2020-07-24 18:47   ` Paul Eggert
2020-07-24 19:41     ` Frank da Cruz
2020-07-24 19:45       ` Frank da Cruz
2020-07-24 20:05       ` Zack Weinberg
2020-07-27  8:10         ` Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha
2020-07-24 21:07       ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2020-07-24 23:45         ` Frank da Cruz
2020-07-25  1:59           ` Paul Eggert
2020-07-31 12:41           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2020-07-31 18:22             ` Frank da Cruz
2020-07-31 20:23               ` Paul Eggert
2020-08-01  0:17                 ` Frank da Cruz
2020-08-01  8:07                   ` Paul Eggert

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