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From: Xi Ruoyao <xry111@xry111.site>
To: "Wilco Dijkstra" <Wilco.Dijkstra@arm.com>,
	"Cristian Rodríguez" <cristian@rodriguez.im>,
	"Adhemerval Zanella Netto" <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>
Cc: GNU C Library <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] Add single-threaded fast path to rand()
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2024 22:40:09 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <228b899bb5d90d1dd9a87ebc35924df309054447.camel@xry111.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <PAWPR08MB8982A94E3509AA7515A087C083332@PAWPR08MB8982.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>

On Wed, 2024-03-20 at 14:28 +0000, Wilco Dijkstra wrote:
> Hi Cristian,
> 
> > Yeah, it should be no surprise this interfaces are bad,
> > I thought this was common knowledge.
> 
> It's bad but we also made it thread-safe via locks rather than add its state to TLS.
> 
> > we need something like https://github.com/C2SP/C2SP/blob/main/chacha8rand.md
> > which prety much outperforms even non-CS algorithms in at least 64 bit x86.
> > but the question of the state remains.global? TLS? how to discard it
> > in all the appropriate occasions?
> 
> I believe the current implementation is already way overkill. All you need is a simple
> LFSR random generator with 64 bits of state and a decently large cycle. It's not
> meant to be a serious random number generator - it's invariably used to generate
> randomized inputs for testing and benchmarking. That's all. The complaints are
> due to it being too slow due to all the locking.

Yes, we don't need a *CS*PRNG, just a PRNG.  Thus no "oops, the user
space cannot know whether to reseed" stuff.

-- 
Xi Ruoyao <xry111@xry111.site>
School of Aerospace Science and Technology, Xidian University

  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-20 14:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-18 15:20 [PATCH 2/2] Add single-threaded fast path to rand() Wilco Dijkstra
2024-03-18 19:24 ` Cristian Rodríguez
2024-03-19 15:44   ` Wilco Dijkstra
2024-03-20 12:31     ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2024-03-20 14:18       ` Cristian Rodríguez
2024-03-20 14:27         ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2024-03-21  7:39           ` Florian Weimer
2024-03-21 13:33             ` Cristian Rodríguez
2024-03-21 14:35               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-03-21 15:07                 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2024-03-21 15:18                   ` Wilco Dijkstra
2024-03-21 15:53               ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2024-03-22 14:27                 ` Zack Weinberg
2024-03-22 14:46                   ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2024-03-22 15:30                     ` Zack Weinberg
2024-03-22 18:05                       ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2024-03-22 19:47                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-03-22 22:54                           ` Cristian Rodríguez
2024-03-23 14:01                           ` Zack Weinberg
2024-03-23 15:23                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-03-25 14:09                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-03-25 17:52                                 ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2024-03-24  0:59                             ` Cristian Rodríguez
2024-03-25  6:44                             ` Florian Weimer
2024-03-20 14:28         ` Wilco Dijkstra
2024-03-20 14:40           ` Xi Ruoyao [this message]
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2023-11-28 17:37 Wilco Dijkstra

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