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From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
To: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
Cc: libc-alpha@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] manual: Document __libc_single_threaded
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 13:49:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200522174932.GY1079@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h7w727i4.fsf@oldenburg2.str.redhat.com>

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 07:40:19PM +0200, Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha wrote:
> * Rich Felker:
> 
> >> Our discussion focused on the problem that observing a thread count of 1
> >> in pthread_join does not necessarily mean that it is safe to assume at
> >> this point that the process is single-threaded, in glibc's
> >> implementation that uses a simple __nptl_nthreads counter decremented on
> >> the thread itself.  This does not cause a low-level data race directly,
> >> but is potentially still incorrect (I'm not quite sure yet).
> >
> > pthread_join necessarily has an acquire barrier (this is a fundamental
> > requirement of the interface contract; join is acquiring the results
> > of the thread) so under some weak assumptions on unsynchronized memory
> > access (e.g. non-tearing, not seeing a value that wasn't stored
> > sometime between the last and next acquire barriers on the observer's
> > side) I think observing it from pthread_join is safe.
> 
> Because of the meaning of the variable, it is *completely* safe if there
> are no detached threads, without any further assumptions.
> 
> With detached threads an pthread_join observing a thread count of 1 (as
> decreased during thread exit), the validity of setting
> __libc_single_threaded depends on whether the kernel offers something
> that causes a memory write on thread exit.  I know of at least two such

I don't follow. Why do you care about the kernel entity exiting here?
You should only care about having a release barrier before the update
to the count, so that seeing the updated count guarantees seeing any
changes to memory made by the exiting detached thread.

Rich

  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-22 17:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-20 18:12 [PATCH 0/2] Add __libc_single_threaded Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha
2020-05-20 18:12 ` [PATCH 1/2] Add the __libc_single_threaded variable Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha
2020-05-21 13:07   ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-05-21 13:16     ` Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha
2020-05-21 13:26       ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-05-20 18:12 ` [PATCH 2/2] manual: Document __libc_single_threaded Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha
2020-05-21  7:52   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) via Libc-alpha
2020-05-21 12:17     ` Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha
2020-05-21 11:18   ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-05-21 12:16     ` Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha
2020-05-21 12:50   ` Adhemerval Zanella via Libc-alpha
2020-05-21 13:09     ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-05-21 13:15       ` Adhemerval Zanella via Libc-alpha
2020-05-21 13:30         ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-05-21 13:44           ` Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha
2020-05-21 13:58             ` Adhemerval Zanella via Libc-alpha
2020-05-21 14:03               ` Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha
2020-05-22 10:01             ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-05-22 10:05               ` Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha
2020-05-22 10:54                 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-05-22 11:08                   ` Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha
2020-05-22 15:07                   ` Rich Felker
2020-05-22 16:14                     ` Rich Felker
2020-05-22 16:36                       ` Adhemerval Zanella via Libc-alpha
2020-05-22 17:02                       ` Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha
2020-05-22 17:18                         ` Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha
2020-05-22 17:28                         ` Rich Felker
2020-05-22 17:40                           ` Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha
2020-05-22 17:49                             ` Rich Felker [this message]
2020-05-22 19:22                               ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-05-22 19:53                                 ` Rich Felker
2020-05-23  6:49                                   ` Szabolcs Nagy
2020-05-23 16:02                                     ` Rich Felker
2020-05-25  8:08                                       ` Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha
2020-05-25 17:21                                         ` Rich Felker
2020-05-27 11:54                                           ` Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha
2020-05-27 15:36                                             ` Rich Felker
2020-06-03 15:00                                               ` Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha
2020-06-03 17:11                                                 ` Rich Felker
2020-05-25  8:08                                       ` Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha
2020-05-21 13:56           ` Adhemerval Zanella via Libc-alpha
2020-05-21 13:14     ` Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha
2020-05-21 14:32       ` Adhemerval Zanella via Libc-alpha
2020-06-03 15:48         ` Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha
2020-06-03 17:52           ` Adhemerval Zanella via Libc-alpha

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