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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Johan Herland <johan@herland.net>
Cc: David Turner <dturner@twopensource.com>,
	Git mailing list <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	Michael Haggerty <mhagger@alum.mit.edu>,
	Eric Sunshine <sunshine@sunshineco.com>,
	Philip Oakley <philipoakley@iee.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/6] notes: replace pseudorefs with real refs
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 09:37:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqpp3aapj9.fsf@gitster.dls.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALKQrgfeFrr5SygixW=pJoOCheGR9kUhqwjNyuXGvzJnWU_LyQ@mail.gmail.com> (Johan Herland's message of "Wed, 29 Jul 2015 15:19:28 +0200")

Johan Herland <johan@herland.net> writes:

> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
>> Johan Herland <johan@herland.net> writes:
>>
>>> I believe it is a bad compromise. It complicates the code, and it
>>> provides a concurrent notes merges that is unnecessarily tied to (and
>>> dependent on) worktrees. For example, if I wanted to perform N
>>> concurrent notes merges in a project that happens to have a huge
>>> worktree, I would now have to create N copies of the huge worktree...
>>
>> Who said worktree has to be populated?  You should be able to have
>> an absolutely empty checkout just like "clone --no-checkout".
>
> IMHO that's an insane workaround that only serves to highlight the
> conceptual problems of binding notes merges (as they are implemented
> today) to worktrees.

Actually, the name "linked worktree" is probably a misnomer.

There is nothing fundamental in the mechanism or in the concept that
says that these multiple $GIT_DIR's must not be a bare one.  The
main thing the separation between $GIT_DIR and $GIT_COMMON_DIR
affords you is that you can have some things shared across them
(e.g. refs/*, objects) while making others per $GIT_DIR (e.g. HEAD,
index, etc.).

With that in mind, it is not an insane workaround but a very natural
mechanism suited exactly for what you want to do: using a feature
(e.g. "notes merge") that currently can have at most one instance
running at a time because it stores its state inside $GIT_DIR, and
you want to have N concurrent one going.  You keep that "state per
running instance" inside $GIT_DIR (i.e. not shared) and use the
"linked worktree" mechanism to have multiple $GIT_DIR, connected
to the same $GIT_COMMON_DIR.

> But, whatever. This is unrelated to David's current effort, and I
> don't want to hold that up, so please move along, nothing to see here.

I need this part from an earlier message answered to unblock David's
topic:

    Now we are getting somewhere.  So is there more that is needed
    than separating NOTES_MERGE_REF per worktree to make this work
    (remember, multiple notes-merge in a single worktree is a
    non-goal, just like multiple merge in a single worktree is not
    supported today and will not be)?  Is there some other state
    that is not captured by NOTES_MERGE_REF and friends that you
    would end up recording a wrong merge result, if two worktrees
    that have NOTES_MERGE_REF pointing at a different ref in
    refs/notes/* try to do the notes-merge at the same time?

If we do not change anything (not even applying the [v3 2/6] patch
we are discussing), all these things prefixed with NOTES_ will
become per $GIT_DIR with linked worktrees.

    NOTES_EDITMSG, NOTES_MERGE_REF, NOTES_MERGE_PARTIAL,
    NOTES_MERGE_WORKTREE

The user could attempt to start different notes merges in her
multiple $GIT_DIRs.  The question is to what degree we want to
support her.

Is it sufficient to have these per $GIT_DIR, when the user has two
$GIT_DIRs connected to the same repository and wants to do two
"notes merge" acting on different ref in refs/notes/*?  Or are there
some other states in the shared part kept, which would be stomped on
by simultaneously running "notes merge" instances in different
$GIT_DIRs, that make this not to work?  Any other problems in the
remainder of the current implementation of "notes merge"?

If there are reasons/limitations that make simultaneous "notes
merge" of different notes in different $GIT_DIRs impossible, then I
agree we shouldn't bother with [v3 2/6] patch.  We should just
declare "do not do it, it does not (yet) work".

But if there isn't, [v3 2/6] is the absolute minimum thing we could
do to make "notes merge" usable by making sure that the user does
not attempt merging the same refs/notes/commits in two different
places.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-29 16:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-28 18:12 [PATCH v3 0/6] pseudorefs David Turner
2015-07-28 18:12 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] refs: Introduce pseudoref and per-worktree ref concepts David Turner
2015-07-28 18:12 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] notes: replace pseudorefs with real refs David Turner
2015-07-28 19:00   ` Junio C Hamano
2015-07-28 19:24     ` David Turner
2015-07-28 19:44     ` Junio C Hamano
2015-07-28 21:23       ` [PATCH] notes: handle multiple worktrees David Turner
2015-07-28 21:42         ` David Turner
2015-07-28 22:00           ` Junio C Hamano
2015-07-28 22:12         ` Junio C Hamano
2015-07-28 22:50           ` Johan Herland
2015-08-03 13:27             ` Duy Nguyen
2015-07-28 22:17         ` Eric Sunshine
2015-07-28 22:38       ` [PATCH v3 2/6] notes: replace pseudorefs with real refs Johan Herland
2015-07-28 22:52         ` Junio C Hamano
2015-07-28 23:43           ` Johan Herland
2015-07-29  0:33             ` Junio C Hamano
2015-07-29  0:56               ` Michael Haggerty
2015-07-29  1:23                 ` Jacob Keller
2015-07-29  1:24                 ` Johan Herland
2015-07-29  2:25                   ` Junio C Hamano
2015-07-29  2:00                 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-07-29  2:53                   ` Johan Herland
2015-07-29  5:00                     ` Junio C Hamano
2015-07-29  2:34               ` Johan Herland
2015-07-29  5:01                 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-07-29 13:19                   ` Johan Herland
2015-07-29 16:37                     ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2015-07-29 16:58                       ` Junio C Hamano
2015-07-30  6:05                       ` Johan Herland
2015-07-30 16:24                         ` Junio C Hamano
2015-07-29  2:17             ` Junio C Hamano
2015-07-29  2:37               ` Johan Herland
2015-07-28 18:12 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] refs: add ref_type function David Turner
2015-07-29  6:32   ` Eric Sunshine
2015-07-28 18:12 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] pseudorefs: create and use pseudoref update and delete functions David Turner
2015-07-29  6:38   ` Eric Sunshine
2015-07-28 18:12 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] rebase: use update_ref David Turner
2015-07-28 18:12 ` [PATCH v3 6/6] sequencer: replace write_cherry_pick_head with update_ref David Turner
2015-07-28 19:01 ` [PATCH v3 0/6] pseudorefs Junio C Hamano
2015-07-28 19:07   ` David Turner

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