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From: Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr>
To: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Cc: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, Jay Soffian <jaysoffian@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC] builtin-checkout: suggest creating local branch when appropriate to do so
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:28:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <vpqiqesna6x.fsf@bauges.imag.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0910061111410.4985@pacific.mpi-cbg.de> (Johannes Schindelin's message of "Tue\, 6 Oct 2009 11\:12\:51 +0200 \(CEST\)")

Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de> writes:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Jeff King wrote:
>
>> Some devil's advocate questions:
>> 
>>   1. How do we find "origin/next" given "next"? What are the exact
>>      lookup rules? Do they cover every case? Do they avoid surprising
>>      the user?
>
> I am sure your strategy would be the same as mine: enumerate all remote 
> branches, strip the remote nickname, and compare.  If there are 
> ambiguities, tell the user and stop.
>
>>   2. What do we do if our lookup is ambiguous (e.g., "origin/next" and
>>      "foobar/next" both exist)?
>
> See above.

One problem with this approach is that if users get used to the
behavior, the command will have great probability to end up in a
user's script, then the script will "work" as long as there is no
ambiguity, and cease to work afterwards. And for the user of the
script, this will sound like "WTF, it was working yesterday and it's
broken now".

So, the good thing with being strict, even if giving advice in case of
failure, is that it teaches the user the reliable way to do.

All that said, I'm not sure how serious this is, but we're in a
"devil's advocate" session, so I'm still allowed to speak ;-).


The other fear I have is to create confusion. Today, it's quite clear
that "next" is not the same as "origin/next". With some DWIMery on top
of this, a naive user may think they are more or less the same, and
then not understand what "git fetch" does and why it's not the same as
"git pull".

-- 
Matthieu Moy
http://www-verimag.imag.fr/~moy/

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-06  9:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-05 20:46 [PATCH/RFC] builtin-checkout: suggest creating local branch when appropriate to do so Jay Soffian
2009-10-05 21:03 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2009-10-05 21:17 ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-05 21:26   ` Sverre Rabbelier
2009-10-05 21:57     ` Jay Soffian
2009-10-05 22:00   ` Jay Soffian
2009-10-05 22:45     ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-05 22:56   ` Jeff King
2009-10-06  7:32     ` Thomas Rast
2009-10-06  9:16       ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-06 11:36         ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-06 12:02           ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-06 20:09             ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-06  9:12     ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-06  9:28       ` Matthieu Moy [this message]
2009-10-06  9:41         ` Mikael Magnusson
2009-10-06 10:04           ` Johannes Schindelin
     [not found]           ` <0016e68fd0123a175304754694b4@google.com>
2009-10-06 16:43             ` Eugene Sajine
2009-10-06 20:33               ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-12  7:49             ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-12 18:36               ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-10-12 21:40               ` Thomas Rast
2009-10-12 22:49                 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-13  6:36                   ` Thomas Rast
2009-10-13  7:16                     ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-13  8:44                       ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-13  8:51                       ` Thomas Rast
2009-10-13  9:24                         ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-13 21:20                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-13 21:59                             ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-13 22:06                             ` Jeff King
2009-10-13 23:22                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-14  1:05                                 ` Jay Soffian
2009-10-14  3:28                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-14 12:49                                     ` Jay Soffian
2009-10-14 19:31                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-25 17:44                                     ` Uri Okrent
2009-10-14  4:31                                 ` Jeff King
2009-10-14  9:56                         ` Thomas Rast
2009-10-14 10:46                           ` Jakub Narebski
2009-10-13  9:32                       ` Johannes Sixt
2009-10-13 18:39                       ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-10-13 20:53                         ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-13 21:31                           ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-10-13 21:57                             ` Jeff King
2009-10-13 22:46                               ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-13 23:16                                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-14  9:33                                   ` Thomas Rast
2009-10-16 11:48                                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-16 12:07                                       ` Thomas Rast
2009-10-25 17:48                                 ` Uri Okrent
2009-10-26  7:14                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-13 22:38                             ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-10-18  7:58   ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-18  8:00     ` [PATCH 1/3] check_filename(): make verify_filename() callable without dying Junio C Hamano
2009-10-18  8:01     ` [PATCH 2/3] DWIM "git checkout frotz" to "git checkout -b frotz origin/frotz" Junio C Hamano
2009-10-18 10:34       ` Nanako Shiraishi
2009-10-18 12:00         ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-10-18 20:20           ` Nanako Shiraishi
2009-10-18 22:50             ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-19  5:58             ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-10-18  8:01     ` [PATCH 3/3] git checkout --nodwim Junio C Hamano
2009-10-18 12:40       ` Alex Riesen
2009-10-18 19:53         ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-18 21:02           ` [PATCH] Use "--no-" prefix to switch off some of checkout dwimmery Alex Riesen
2009-10-18 22:49             ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-19  6:07               ` Alex Riesen
2009-10-19  6:12                 ` Alex Riesen
2009-10-19  6:16                   ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-19  7:17                     ` Alex Riesen
2009-10-19  7:25                       ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-21 17:29           ` [PATCH 3/3] git checkout --nodwim Avery Pennarun
2009-10-21 21:21             ` Nanako Shiraishi
2009-10-21 22:14               ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-21 22:35                 ` [PATCH] git checkout --no-guess Junio C Hamano
2009-10-21 22:51                   ` Avery Pennarun
2009-10-26 18:17                     ` Jay Soffian
2009-10-26 18:25                       ` Avery Pennarun
2009-10-22  0:27               ` [PATCH 3/3] git checkout --nodwim Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-22  7:09                 ` Erik Faye-Lund
2009-10-23  8:57                 ` Michael J Gruber
2009-10-24  6:35                 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-24 14:59                   ` David Roundy
2009-10-24 19:25                     ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-26 20:12                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-26 20:40                       ` Avery Pennarun
2009-10-26 21:26                         ` Jeff King
2009-10-26 22:01                           ` Avery Pennarun
2009-10-26 22:14                             ` Jeff King
2009-10-26 22:28                               ` Avery Pennarun
2009-10-05 22:52 ` [PATCH/RFC] builtin-checkout: suggest creating local branch when appropriate to do so Jeff King

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