From: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
To: Euguess@gmail.com
Cc: Mikael Magnusson <mikachu@gmail.com>,
Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr>,
Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, Jay Soffian <jaysoffian@gmail.com>,
git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Re: [PATCH/RFC] builtin-checkout: suggest creating local branch when appropriate to do so
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:49:50 +0200 (CEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.00.0910120941150.4985@pacific.mpi-cbg.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0016e68fd0123a175304754694b4@google.com>
Hi,
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Euguess@gmail.com wrote:
> I'ma new user of git and I don't think i will ever have a commit in
> git.git, because I'm not a programmer (I'm QA).
Welcome!
Let me take this opportunity to express my deep sadness that your first
input to this list was brushed off so carelessly.
I sincerely hope that you give us another chance, and that you let us
benefit from your fresh and unbiased view of the usability issues in Git
(some of us use Git for so long, they think that Git has no usability
issues anymore).
> I was reading this topic as carefully as i could and I think that this
> makes a lot of sense to address this issue. As i understand when
> somebody fetches from remote repo in order to be able to start working
> on the code from this remote repo you should create tracking branch for
> one of the branches from remote and only then you should do your changes
> or perform merges.
>
> in case if you didn't do that and you try to checkout you will end up
> having detached HEAD which is quite scary;) for non-experienced user and
> as i see might lead to some unnecessary questions in this list or on IRC
> channel...
Right. We see that type of confusion in #git everyday, and blaming the
user would be a violation of http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?BlameTheRightThing
> As for the solution i would choose the "simplest thing that will work" -
> so i think that we just have to notify user about his suicide attempt to
> checkout nonlocal branch and offer him a correct syntax to go with.
>
> Something like below should work:
>
> % git clone git://git.git git
> % git checkout next
> You're attempting to checkout to non-local branch. This will lead to your HEAD
> being detached (our team is on its way!).
> Do you want to check out local branch 'next' tracking 'origin/next' instead?
> y/n
>
> if yes, then:
> Created branch "next" tracking "origin/next"
> You can update it with 'git pull'.
>
> If no - abort or continue with checkout to nonlocal branch? ('m not sure if
> detaching HEAD can provide some benefits if done on purpose)
>
> I hope I'm not missing anything...
No, I think that is something perfectly fine to expect in a software whose
UI complexity is unfortunately pretty much in disagreement with its
internal complexity.
One thing one might add for the technically inclined folks (i.e. those who
need to implement, and to see that Git is in dear need of some
user-friendliness first): "git checkout" is a porcelain (i.e. a program
meant for end-user consumption), and as such should not have a problem to
react to isatty(0) (i.e. "is the input coming directly from the
console?").
So yes, even if I was on the verge of giving up on this thread, I have
been encouraged enough to get this uphill battle going again, and to try
to overturn some stubborn resistance.
Ciao,
Dscho
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-10-12 7:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-10-05 20:46 [PATCH/RFC] builtin-checkout: suggest creating local branch when appropriate to do so Jay Soffian
2009-10-05 21:03 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2009-10-05 21:17 ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-05 21:26 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2009-10-05 21:57 ` Jay Soffian
2009-10-05 22:00 ` Jay Soffian
2009-10-05 22:45 ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-05 22:56 ` Jeff King
2009-10-06 7:32 ` Thomas Rast
2009-10-06 9:16 ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-06 11:36 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-06 12:02 ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-06 20:09 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-06 9:12 ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-06 9:28 ` Matthieu Moy
2009-10-06 9:41 ` Mikael Magnusson
2009-10-06 10:04 ` Johannes Schindelin
[not found] ` <0016e68fd0123a175304754694b4@google.com>
2009-10-06 16:43 ` Eugene Sajine
2009-10-06 20:33 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-12 7:49 ` Johannes Schindelin [this message]
2009-10-12 18:36 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-10-12 21:40 ` Thomas Rast
2009-10-12 22:49 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-13 6:36 ` Thomas Rast
2009-10-13 7:16 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-13 8:44 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-13 8:51 ` Thomas Rast
2009-10-13 9:24 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-13 21:20 ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-13 21:59 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-13 22:06 ` Jeff King
2009-10-13 23:22 ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-14 1:05 ` Jay Soffian
2009-10-14 3:28 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-14 12:49 ` Jay Soffian
2009-10-14 19:31 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-25 17:44 ` Uri Okrent
2009-10-14 4:31 ` Jeff King
2009-10-14 9:56 ` Thomas Rast
2009-10-14 10:46 ` Jakub Narebski
2009-10-13 9:32 ` Johannes Sixt
2009-10-13 18:39 ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-10-13 20:53 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-13 21:31 ` Daniel Barkalow
2009-10-13 21:57 ` Jeff King
2009-10-13 22:46 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-13 23:16 ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-14 9:33 ` Thomas Rast
2009-10-16 11:48 ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-16 12:07 ` Thomas Rast
2009-10-25 17:48 ` Uri Okrent
2009-10-26 7:14 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-13 22:38 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-10-18 7:58 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-18 8:00 ` [PATCH 1/3] check_filename(): make verify_filename() callable without dying Junio C Hamano
2009-10-18 8:01 ` [PATCH 2/3] DWIM "git checkout frotz" to "git checkout -b frotz origin/frotz" Junio C Hamano
2009-10-18 10:34 ` Nanako Shiraishi
2009-10-18 12:00 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-10-18 20:20 ` Nanako Shiraishi
2009-10-18 22:50 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-19 5:58 ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-10-18 8:01 ` [PATCH 3/3] git checkout --nodwim Junio C Hamano
2009-10-18 12:40 ` Alex Riesen
2009-10-18 19:53 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-18 21:02 ` [PATCH] Use "--no-" prefix to switch off some of checkout dwimmery Alex Riesen
2009-10-18 22:49 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-19 6:07 ` Alex Riesen
2009-10-19 6:12 ` Alex Riesen
2009-10-19 6:16 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-19 7:17 ` Alex Riesen
2009-10-19 7:25 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-21 17:29 ` [PATCH 3/3] git checkout --nodwim Avery Pennarun
2009-10-21 21:21 ` Nanako Shiraishi
2009-10-21 22:14 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-21 22:35 ` [PATCH] git checkout --no-guess Junio C Hamano
2009-10-21 22:51 ` Avery Pennarun
2009-10-26 18:17 ` Jay Soffian
2009-10-26 18:25 ` Avery Pennarun
2009-10-22 0:27 ` [PATCH 3/3] git checkout --nodwim Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-22 7:09 ` Erik Faye-Lund
2009-10-23 8:57 ` Michael J Gruber
2009-10-24 6:35 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-24 14:59 ` David Roundy
2009-10-24 19:25 ` Junio C Hamano
2009-10-26 20:12 ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-10-26 20:40 ` Avery Pennarun
2009-10-26 21:26 ` Jeff King
2009-10-26 22:01 ` Avery Pennarun
2009-10-26 22:14 ` Jeff King
2009-10-26 22:28 ` Avery Pennarun
2009-10-05 22:52 ` [PATCH/RFC] builtin-checkout: suggest creating local branch when appropriate to do so Jeff King
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