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From: Miles Bader <miles.bader@necel.com>
To: Pierre Habouzit <madcoder@debian.org>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: git push (mis ?)behavior
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:57:56 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <buobqbgmv6z.fsf@dhapc248.dev.necel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071003073554.GA8110@artemis.corp> (Pierre Habouzit's message of "Wed\, 03 Oct 2007 09\:35\:54 +0200")

Pierre Habouzit <madcoder@debian.org> writes:
>   There definitely is a point: with the current behaviour you sometimes
> end up pushing more than what you meant, with sometimes WIP that you
> intend to rebase, and it hurts. Git porcelains should help you avoid to
> shoot yourself in the foot, hence I think that (especially to git
> newcomers), the current default _is_ dangerous.

What's "dangerous" for newbies, often ends up being what doesn't
correspond with their mental model.  I think the current default
behavior without any <refspec> specified corresponds well to the
operation of many other git commands (and unix command) in similar
circumstances:  If you don't specify something to operate on, it
essentially uses a wild card and operates on "every reasonable thing"
(e.g., consider "git commit FILE" versus "git commit").

Even if the default were changed, it could very well end up causing many
problems because it _didn't_ push as many heads as the user thought it
would (I don't think I'm the only one that might expect the default
action to be "push everything").  When I was a git newbie, I sometimes
got into situations where I screwed something up because heads I thought
had been pushed to another system actually hadn't been.

To the extent that a command _is_ "dangerous", there's always a tradeoff
between convenience and "danger".  Some systems (e.g. those aimed at
newbies) might have as a goal to do the absolute minimum with every
command and always, always, err on the side of safety.  I don't think git
is that system.

-Miles

-- 
Yo mama's so fat when she gets on an elevator it HAS to go down.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-03  8:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-27 13:04 git push (mis ?)behavior Pierre Habouzit
2007-09-27 13:30 ` Wincent Colaiuta
2007-09-27 15:28   ` Benoit SIGOURE
2007-09-27 19:22 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-27 19:36   ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-09-28  6:52   ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-09-28  6:58     ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-09-28  9:26       ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-09-28  9:44         ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-28 10:04           ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-09-28  7:07     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-09-28  9:11       ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-09-28 13:31         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-09  5:05       ` Jan Hudec
2007-10-09  7:23         ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-09-28 12:38   ` Wincent Colaiuta
2007-10-03  5:10   ` Miles Bader
2007-10-03  5:39     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-10-03  6:47     ` Wincent Colaiuta
2007-10-03  8:32       ` Miles Bader
2007-10-03  7:35     ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-10-03  8:57       ` Miles Bader [this message]
2007-10-03  9:03         ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-10-03 10:25         ` Wincent Colaiuta
2007-10-03 10:49           ` Karl Hasselström
2007-10-03 11:08             ` Junio C Hamano
2007-10-03 11:22               ` Wincent Colaiuta
2007-10-03 13:14               ` Karl Hasselström
2007-10-03 15:27             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-03 16:07               ` Karl Hasselström
2007-10-03 16:18                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-03 16:28                   ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-10-03 16:44                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-10-03 17:02                       ` Karl Hasselström
2007-10-04 14:47                         ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-04 15:54                           ` Wincent Colaiuta
2007-10-04 16:24                             ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-04 17:49                               ` Wincent Colaiuta
2007-10-03 16:26               ` Wincent Colaiuta
2007-10-03 11:10           ` Benoit SIGOURE

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