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From: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: "Jakub Narębski" <jnareb@gmail.com>,
	"Mike Hommey" <mh@glandium.org>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] am: counteract gender bias
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 09:08:06 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1607080845360.6426@virtualbox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqq37nlqvse.fsf@gitster.mtv.corp.google.com>

Hi Junio,

On Thu, 7 Jul 2016, Junio C Hamano wrote:

> We should just use "theirs" to be consistent from the beginning, as
> you suggested.  There is no need to churn the codebase for political
> correctness to first use "hers" that everybody knows will *not* be
> the final form.

I will change the patch to say "theirs" (BTW "they" is nowadays considered
not necessarily plural only, but can be used as a gender-neutral singular:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They).

However.

I strongly disagree that this is the correct course of action. In my view,
this has nothing to do with political correctness. It has all to do with
respect instead. And I find it disrespectful to quietly paper over the
issue instead of making a bold statement (which my patch constitutes).

There seems to be no support for my position.

Therefore, with sadness, I set this aside as yet another concession to
those men who are really comfortable to equate "programmer" with "he" in
their minds and at the same time feel utterly offended when addressed as
"How are you ladies doing today?".

I absolutely despise having to change this patch, yet I do not currently
have the time nor the nerve to insist on my version of the patch.

Regards,
Johannes

P.S.: Having said that, I do notice that the communication on this mailing
list has become much more civil in the past few years. I am pleased by
that, and I am hoping for much more, to the point where we are truly
inclusive. It will be more productive, and also much more fun.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-08  7:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-07 11:47 [PATCH] am: counteract gender bias Johannes Schindelin
2016-07-07 12:49 ` Mike Hommey
2016-07-07 13:24   ` Jakub Narębski
2016-07-07 14:17     ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-07-07 16:04     ` Junio C Hamano
2016-07-08  7:08       ` Johannes Schindelin [this message]
2016-07-07 14:12   ` Johannes Schindelin
2016-07-08  7:17 ` [PATCH v2] " Johannes Schindelin
2016-07-08  7:50   ` Jakub Narębski
2016-07-08 21:39   ` Junio C Hamano

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