From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS31976 209.132.180.0/23 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.3 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,RP_MATCHES_RCVD shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F852023C for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 07:08:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751815AbcGHHIa (ORCPT ); Fri, 8 Jul 2016 03:08:30 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:64057 "EHLO mout.gmx.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751427AbcGHHI2 (ORCPT ); Fri, 8 Jul 2016 03:08:28 -0400 Received: from virtualbox ([37.24.141.253]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LfTC1-1bf6SP0uvB-00p185; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 09:08:08 +0200 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 09:08:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Johannes Schindelin X-X-Sender: virtualbox@virtualbox To: Junio C Hamano cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Jakub_Nar=C4=99bski?= , Mike Hommey , git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] am: counteract gender bias In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20160707124943.GA22668@glandium.org> <577E580B.5090000@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:nEJApASt0CHupqqB7oVOCU6Fao79UtM16A7F14UhuuJZGt08UxK zOAypVKgV/JauVWmTSUTLTcD0inTz1yT4CY619R/IcYoMwbTUx3QC7MTYcVEY49e7FlXA1h NdF0Z/7zOWyVbdRYfgNYNXsT3UB94un+lusQiNDZhbBf3wjGKULD5d8aOV02DLlAOdrlRxD qShNZbf3TI79URc7BOdmw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:IEBKP9hfbpA=:nCDPtclBgDqaSZNDSbvSX7 +WcQTGEHWzWMbm9lpHEKMFSU0Sx+MRv1xgsxHcm9rblQPyfTg0WSSuLuRV97RO/lZpGKmLbKV q1lMSLYggxF1bq40E7HoATpcnO4O1sR1K1rdU9ZgaahRKJvSN6z72v5TlyeRByV6TzFhztOCT TKsFOd7D+wBwz2cCw3Wb0TsFNbj6gmSaGXSGENRVnzlE+wi5PhxmnB8eWjiPJnRD+aC/WCQHs 1csmSCvcRwVCWspBjAy1VEF/OPC3tIByeNv3MVdaBEb7vd7j3lZ01Le0HXc9CNF8W/iapSMJz KVbxYw9NZu1qwCI2uCuvAqhn38NOQ9PMBMoWmVd7chuX6pPZJFZntWO2NM5ClrvhyeYUBCOVU Jhvm/iEq9cdum75R5OKcMc6treVqj3XrM/HundtArYW3IiPIQZiV7iuNRv8VLnBoZX+QMIGcI en+QvRgb0DwNKmsT9iWMbTXeTgXIz1tRrK/oYRh8DoKxD89U4aAOHIi0ut1Ofje2T1GEk3kw4 EwjDyph5ETykid0CLlAYB5DxNsMjyuUyX5Cz0qCnBg5qM9e6yd2OxD/6QkxyMrFut7u46uHlF 48FuL13GS963KCCuMko5COB8bnSaEvIyrGNdE1mHkZCGO1U6ATBiGH2oYqzXqzBUMIqbwreWO lxEQspGUo3T/uK4Ddd6YTSK+KemddVpiklXdX3DQWm0oyyY1rTF8Ssld1DngQJQEKyWQnueF8 Higrg7a3KpV+s/JVdRJCw4wBYVKOTGeCKkR1jlCgIsE4ZUIC0txnjq0FCxL2oM5QSPaEv5j0z e9CnzYE Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Hi Junio, On Thu, 7 Jul 2016, Junio C Hamano wrote: > We should just use "theirs" to be consistent from the beginning, as > you suggested. There is no need to churn the codebase for political > correctness to first use "hers" that everybody knows will *not* be > the final form. I will change the patch to say "theirs" (BTW "they" is nowadays considered not necessarily plural only, but can be used as a gender-neutral singular: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They). However. I strongly disagree that this is the correct course of action. In my view, this has nothing to do with political correctness. It has all to do with respect instead. And I find it disrespectful to quietly paper over the issue instead of making a bold statement (which my patch constitutes). There seems to be no support for my position. Therefore, with sadness, I set this aside as yet another concession to those men who are really comfortable to equate "programmer" with "he" in their minds and at the same time feel utterly offended when addressed as "How are you ladies doing today?". I absolutely despise having to change this patch, yet I do not currently have the time nor the nerve to insist on my version of the patch. Regards, Johannes P.S.: Having said that, I do notice that the communication on this mailing list has become much more civil in the past few years. I am pleased by that, and I am hoping for much more, to the point where we are truly inclusive. It will be more productive, and also much more fun.