From: Eric Sunshine <sunshine@sunshineco.com>
To: Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr>
Cc: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, Git List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
Michael Haggerty <mhagger@alum.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [RFH] GSoC 2015 application
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:06:29 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPig+cR_OaJGAR--04YWW1KHm+1UA7q7O9e4TTcZksGo9s4+8w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <vpqwq3cdhhe.fsf@anie.imag.fr>
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 5:06 AM, Matthieu Moy
<Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr> wrote:
> Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
>> I think these might be getting a little larger than "micro".
>
> The ~/.git-credential-cache may be a bit harder, but the case of
> ~/.git-credentials should follow the same pattern as files for which
> this is already done. So, doing it by mimicking existing code shouldn't
> be too hard.
>
> But maybe that's me being optimistic ;-).
As a person who did a significant number of GSoC 2014 micro-project
reviews (as well as many actual GSoC reviews), I probably ought to
weigh in and say that this may be too optimistic. In fact, most of the
GSoC 2015 micro-project suggestions[1] seem far too large and
involved.
For 2014, most of the GSoC micro-projects were extremely simple, of
the form "replace starts_with() with skip_prefix()", yet most
applicants still required three or four (or more) attempts to get it
right (and some never did), even with extremely detailed hand-holding
reviews at each step. (And, such reviews are quite time-consuming. I
was allocating six to eight hours each day to those reviews, yet I
couldn't keep up with all the submissions.)
Although quite simple, many of the 2014 micro-projects[2]
(particularly from Michael Haggerty) had a bit of a twist (or trick
question) thrown in, requiring a tad more thought and effort than mere
mechanical search-and-replace. That was useful because it helped
identify potentially acceptable candidates more easily, however, that
added twist was probably a good upper limit on difficulty for
micro-projects.
Another important aspect of 2014's micro-projects was that they could
be accomplished with only very localized knowledge: that is, a student
could read the logic of the one function being touched and learn
enough to be successful. The micro-projects did not require global
knowledge of Git internals or hours of research.
The attitude in 2014 was that it was important for students to get a
taste of what it is like working on the Git project and what would be
expected of them as submitters, and for GSoC administrators and
mentors to get a feel for the applicants by how they interacted with
reviewers. By going through the review process on a project with high
engineering standards, it also was hope that students would learn and
benefit from the experience even if not selected. Extremely simple
micro-projects (possibly with a twist) in the style of 2014's were
more than sufficient to satisfy these goals, and were more than enough
to consume significant reviewer time. The suggested 2015's
micro-projects seem far in excess.
[1]: http://git.github.io/SoC-2015-Microprojects.html
[2]: http://git.github.io/SoC-2014-Microprojects.html
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-02-20 23:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-02-18 19:14 [RFH] GSoC 2015 application Jeff King
2015-02-18 19:32 ` Jeff King
2015-02-24 12:01 ` Johannes Schindelin
2015-02-24 12:06 ` [msysGit] " Jeff King
2015-02-24 12:25 ` Johannes Schindelin
2015-02-24 12:28 ` [msysGit] " Jeff King
2015-02-25 9:25 ` Johannes Schindelin
2015-02-25 9:39 ` Matthieu Moy
2015-02-25 10:25 ` Matthieu Moy
2015-02-25 12:15 ` Johannes Schindelin
2015-02-24 17:32 ` Matthieu Moy
2015-02-24 18:25 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-24 20:33 ` Johannes Schindelin
2015-02-24 21:02 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-24 23:56 ` Matthieu Moy
2015-02-25 0:34 ` [msysGit] " Stefan Beller
2015-02-25 9:25 ` Michael J Gruber
2015-02-25 8:44 ` Johannes Schindelin
2015-02-25 10:04 ` [msysGit] " Christian Couder
2015-02-25 10:02 ` Duy Nguyen
2015-02-25 12:10 ` Johannes Schindelin
2015-02-18 21:54 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-19 5:49 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-19 10:32 ` Matthieu Moy
2015-02-20 2:00 ` Jeff King
2015-02-20 10:06 ` Matthieu Moy
2015-02-20 10:22 ` Dennis Kaarsemaker
2015-02-20 10:34 ` Matthieu Moy
2015-02-20 23:06 ` Eric Sunshine [this message]
2015-02-20 10:31 ` [PATCH 1/3] microprojects: tweaks after discussion with Peff Matthieu Moy
2015-02-20 10:31 ` [PATCH 2/3] GSoC ideas: git bisect fixed/unfixed Matthieu Moy
2015-02-20 10:31 ` [PATCH 3/3] idea: Be nicer to the user on tracked/untracked merge conflicts Matthieu Moy
2015-02-20 3:26 ` [RFH] GSoC 2015 application Duy Nguyen
2015-02-20 7:13 ` Jeff King
2015-02-20 8:26 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-21 3:02 ` Support customized reordering in version sort Duy Nguyen
2015-02-21 3:25 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-21 3:33 ` Duy Nguyen
2015-02-21 5:12 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-21 5:37 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-26 10:44 ` [PATCH] versionsort: support reorder prerelease suffixes Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2015-02-27 21:37 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-05 1:28 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-09 1:01 ` Duy Nguyen
2015-03-10 7:52 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-10 8:03 ` Eric Sunshine
2015-03-10 10:16 ` [PATCH] config.txt: update versioncmp.prereleaseSuffix Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2015-02-20 5:35 ` [RFH] GSoC 2015 application Michael Haggerty
2015-02-20 7:29 ` Jeff King
2015-02-20 8:06 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-20 9:39 ` Matthieu Moy
2015-02-20 9:48 ` Jeff King
2015-02-20 11:35 ` Jeff King
2015-02-23 8:02 ` Matthieu Moy
2015-02-23 15:36 ` Jeff King
2015-03-04 22:05 ` Philip Oakley
2015-03-04 23:55 ` Stefan Beller
2015-03-05 0:17 ` Philip Oakley
2015-03-05 0:22 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-05 0:32 ` Stefan Beller
2015-03-05 1:17 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-05 6:19 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-06 11:24 ` Duy Nguyen
2015-03-05 0:26 ` Duy Nguyen
2015-03-05 10:28 ` Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2015-03-05 10:28 ` [PATCH 1/6] upload-pack: move shallow deepen code out of receive_needs() Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2015-03-05 10:28 ` [PATCH 2/6] upload-pack: move "shallow" sending code out of deepen() Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2015-03-05 10:28 ` [PATCH 3/6] upload-pack: remove unused variable "backup" Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2015-03-05 10:28 ` [PATCH 4/6] upload-pack: move "unshallow" sending code out of deepen() Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2015-03-05 10:28 ` [PATCH 5/6] shallow.c: implement a generic shallow boundary finder based on rev-list Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2015-03-05 10:28 ` [PATCH 6/6] upload-pack: example code to use get_shallow_commits_by_rev_list Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2015-02-26 13:10 ` [RFH] GSoC 2015 application Duy Nguyen
2015-03-04 10:31 ` Jeff King
2015-03-04 11:21 ` Duy Nguyen
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