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From: Eric Sunshine <sunshine@sunshineco.com>
To: Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr>
Cc: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, Git List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	Michael Haggerty <mhagger@alum.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [RFH] GSoC 2015 application
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:06:29 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPig+cR_OaJGAR--04YWW1KHm+1UA7q7O9e4TTcZksGo9s4+8w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <vpqwq3cdhhe.fsf@anie.imag.fr>

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 5:06 AM, Matthieu Moy
<Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr> wrote:
> Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
>> I think these might be getting a little larger than "micro".
>
> The ~/.git-credential-cache may be a bit harder, but the case of
> ~/.git-credentials should follow the same pattern as files for which
> this is already done. So, doing it by mimicking existing code shouldn't
> be too hard.
>
> But maybe that's me being optimistic ;-).

As a person who did a significant number of GSoC 2014 micro-project
reviews (as well as many actual GSoC reviews), I probably ought to
weigh in and say that this may be too optimistic. In fact, most of the
GSoC 2015 micro-project suggestions[1] seem far too large and
involved.

For 2014, most of the GSoC micro-projects were extremely simple, of
the form "replace starts_with() with skip_prefix()", yet most
applicants still required three or four (or more) attempts to get it
right (and some never did), even with extremely detailed hand-holding
reviews at each step. (And, such reviews are quite time-consuming. I
was allocating six to eight hours each day to those reviews, yet I
couldn't keep up with all the submissions.)

Although quite simple, many of the 2014 micro-projects[2]
(particularly from Michael Haggerty) had a bit of a twist (or trick
question) thrown in, requiring a tad more thought and effort than mere
mechanical search-and-replace. That was useful because it helped
identify potentially acceptable candidates more easily, however, that
added twist was probably a good upper limit on difficulty for
micro-projects.

Another important aspect of 2014's micro-projects was that they could
be accomplished with only very localized knowledge: that is, a student
could read the logic of the one function being touched and learn
enough to be successful. The micro-projects did not require global
knowledge of Git internals or hours of research.

The attitude in 2014 was that it was important for students to get a
taste of what it is like working on the Git project and what would be
expected of them as submitters, and for GSoC administrators and
mentors to get a feel for the applicants by how they interacted with
reviewers. By going through the review process on a project with high
engineering standards, it also was hope that students would learn and
benefit from the experience even if not selected. Extremely simple
micro-projects (possibly with a twist) in the style of 2014's were
more than sufficient to satisfy these goals, and were more than enough
to consume significant reviewer time. The suggested 2015's
micro-projects seem far in excess.

[1]: http://git.github.io/SoC-2015-Microprojects.html
[2]: http://git.github.io/SoC-2014-Microprojects.html

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-02-20 23:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-18 19:14 [RFH] GSoC 2015 application Jeff King
2015-02-18 19:32 ` Jeff King
2015-02-24 12:01   ` Johannes Schindelin
2015-02-24 12:06     ` [msysGit] " Jeff King
2015-02-24 12:25       ` Johannes Schindelin
2015-02-24 12:28         ` [msysGit] " Jeff King
2015-02-25  9:25           ` Johannes Schindelin
2015-02-25  9:39             ` Matthieu Moy
2015-02-25 10:25             ` Matthieu Moy
2015-02-25 12:15               ` Johannes Schindelin
2015-02-24 17:32     ` Matthieu Moy
2015-02-24 18:25       ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-24 20:33         ` Johannes Schindelin
2015-02-24 21:02           ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-24 23:56           ` Matthieu Moy
2015-02-25  0:34             ` [msysGit] " Stefan Beller
2015-02-25  9:25               ` Michael J Gruber
2015-02-25  8:44             ` Johannes Schindelin
2015-02-25 10:04               ` [msysGit] " Christian Couder
2015-02-25 10:02             ` Duy Nguyen
2015-02-25 12:10               ` Johannes Schindelin
2015-02-18 21:54 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-19  5:49   ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-19 10:32 ` Matthieu Moy
2015-02-20  2:00   ` Jeff King
2015-02-20 10:06     ` Matthieu Moy
2015-02-20 10:22       ` Dennis Kaarsemaker
2015-02-20 10:34         ` Matthieu Moy
2015-02-20 23:06       ` Eric Sunshine [this message]
2015-02-20 10:31     ` [PATCH 1/3] microprojects: tweaks after discussion with Peff Matthieu Moy
2015-02-20 10:31       ` [PATCH 2/3] GSoC ideas: git bisect fixed/unfixed Matthieu Moy
2015-02-20 10:31       ` [PATCH 3/3] idea: Be nicer to the user on tracked/untracked merge conflicts Matthieu Moy
2015-02-20  3:26 ` [RFH] GSoC 2015 application Duy Nguyen
2015-02-20  7:13   ` Jeff King
2015-02-20  8:26     ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-21  3:02       ` Support customized reordering in version sort Duy Nguyen
2015-02-21  3:25         ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-21  3:33           ` Duy Nguyen
2015-02-21  5:12             ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-21  5:37               ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-26 10:44               ` [PATCH] versionsort: support reorder prerelease suffixes Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2015-02-27 21:37                 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-05  1:28                   ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-09  1:01                     ` Duy Nguyen
2015-03-10  7:52                       ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-10  8:03                         ` Eric Sunshine
2015-03-10 10:16                     ` [PATCH] config.txt: update versioncmp.prereleaseSuffix Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2015-02-20  5:35 ` [RFH] GSoC 2015 application Michael Haggerty
2015-02-20  7:29   ` Jeff King
2015-02-20  8:06     ` Junio C Hamano
2015-02-20  9:39     ` Matthieu Moy
2015-02-20  9:48       ` Jeff King
2015-02-20 11:35         ` Jeff King
2015-02-23  8:02           ` Matthieu Moy
2015-02-23 15:36             ` Jeff King
2015-03-04 22:05       ` Philip Oakley
2015-03-04 23:55         ` Stefan Beller
2015-03-05  0:17           ` Philip Oakley
2015-03-05  0:22             ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-05  0:32               ` Stefan Beller
2015-03-05  1:17                 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-05  6:19                 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-06 11:24                   ` Duy Nguyen
2015-03-05  0:26           ` Duy Nguyen
2015-03-05 10:28         ` Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2015-03-05 10:28           ` [PATCH 1/6] upload-pack: move shallow deepen code out of receive_needs() Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2015-03-05 10:28           ` [PATCH 2/6] upload-pack: move "shallow" sending code out of deepen() Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2015-03-05 10:28           ` [PATCH 3/6] upload-pack: remove unused variable "backup" Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2015-03-05 10:28           ` [PATCH 4/6] upload-pack: move "unshallow" sending code out of deepen() Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2015-03-05 10:28           ` [PATCH 5/6] shallow.c: implement a generic shallow boundary finder based on rev-list Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2015-03-05 10:28           ` [PATCH 6/6] upload-pack: example code to use get_shallow_commits_by_rev_list Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2015-02-26 13:10 ` [RFH] GSoC 2015 application Duy Nguyen
2015-03-04 10:31   ` Jeff King
2015-03-04 11:21     ` Duy Nguyen

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