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From: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
To: Matheus Tavares Bernardino <matheus.bernardino@usp.br>
Cc: "Christian Couder" <christian.couder@gmail.com>,
	git <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Gummerer" <t.gummerer@gmail.com>,
	"Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy" <pclouds@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GSoC][PATCH 3/3] clone: use dir-iterator to avoid explicit dir traversal
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 11:25:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zhqk5fnf.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHd-oW4P-aAKH0_kKrOJeprWmvPCUfa++X3pSNYSQisAV-25HA@mail.gmail.com>


On Mon, Feb 25 2019, Matheus Tavares Bernardino wrote:

> Hi, Christian and Ævar
>
> First of all, thanks for the fast and attentive reviews.
>
> I am a little confused about what I should do next. How should I
> proceed with this series?
>
> By what was said, I understood that the series:
> 1) Is indeed an improvement under --local, because it won't deference
> symlinks in this case.
> 2) Don't make --dissociate any better but as it is already buggy that
> would be some work for another patchset.
> 3) Makes git-clone copy hidden paths which is a good behaviour.
> 4) Breaks --no-hardlinks when there are symlinks at the repo's objects
> directory.
>
> I understood that even though git itself does not create symlinks in
> .git/objects, we should take care of the case where the user manually
> creates them, right? But what would be the appropriate behaviour: to
> follow (i.e. deference) symlinks (the way it is done now) or just copy
> the link file itself (the way my series currently do)? And shouldn't
> we document this decision somewhere?
>
> About the failure with --no-hardlinks having symlinks at .dir/objects,
> it's probably because copy_or_link_directory() is trying to copy a
> file which is a symlink to a dir and the copy function used is trying
> to copy the dir not the link itself. A possible fix is to change
> copy.c to copy the link file, but I haven't studied yet how that could
> be accomplished.
>
> Another possible fix is to make copy_or_link_directory() deference
> symlink structures when --no-hardlinks is given. But because the
> function falls back to no-hardlinks when failing to hardlink, I don't
> think it would be easy to accomplish this without making the function
> *always* deference symlinks. And that would make the series lose the
> item 1), which I understand you liked.


I don't really have formed opinions one way or the other about what
these specific flags should do in combination with such a repository,
e.g. should --dissociate copy data rather than point to the same
symlinks?

I'm inclined to think so, but I've only thought about it for a couple of
minutes. Maybe if someone starts digging they'll rightly come to a
different conclusion.

Rather, my comment is on the process. Clone behavior is too important to
leave to prose in a commit message. I already found a case where we hard
error not explicitly called out, are there other edge cases I didn't
think of?

So having this e.g. be a 4-part series where 3/4 is introducing tests in
the direction I posted upthread (but needs more work), with 4/4 going
through/justifying each one.


> On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 6:41 AM Christian Couder
> <christian.couder@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 11:48 PM Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
>> <avarab@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Feb 23 2019, Matheus Tavares wrote:
>> >
>> > > Replace usage of opendir/readdir/closedir API to traverse directories
>> > > recursively, at copy_or_link_directory function, by the dir-iterator
>> > > API. This simplifies the code and avoid recursive calls to
>> > > copy_or_link_directory.
>> >
>> > Sounds good in principle.
>> >
>> > > This process also brings some safe behaviour changes to
>> > > copy_or_link_directory:
>> >
>> > I ad-hoc tested some of these, and could spot behavior changes. We
>> > should have tests for these.
>>
>> I agree that ideally we should have a few tests for these, but this is
>> a grey area (see below) and there are areas that are not grey for
>> which we don't have any test...
>>
>> And then adding tests would make this series become larger than a
>> typical GSoC micro-project...
>>
>> > >  - It will no longer follows symbolic links. This is not a problem,
>> > >    since the function is only used to copy .git/objects directory, and
>> > >    symbolic links are not expected there.
>> >
>> > I don't think we should make that assumption, and I don't know of
>> > anything else in git that does.
>>
>> I think Git itself doesn't create symlinks in ".git/objects/" and we
>> don't recommend people manually tweaking what's inside ".git/". That's
>> why I think it's a grey area.
>>
>> > I've certainly symlinked individual objects or packs into a repo for
>> > debugging / recovery, and it would be unexpected to clone that and miss
>> > something.
>>
>> If people tweak what's inside ".git" by hand, they are expected to
>> know what they doing and be able to debug it.
>>
>> > So in the general case we should be strict in what we generate, but
>> > permissive in what we accept. We don't want a "clone" of an existing
>> > repo to fail, or "fsck" to fail after clone...
>>
>> Yeah, but realistically I don't think we are going to foolproof Git
>> from everything that someone could do by tweaking random things
>> manually in ".git/".
>>
>> I am not saying that it should be ok to make things much worse than
>> they are now in case some things have been tweaked in ".git/", but if
>> things in general don't look worse in this grey area, and a patch
>> otherwise improves things, then I think the patch should be ok.
>>
>> > When trying to test this I made e.g. objects/c4 a symlink to /tmp/c4,
>> > and a specific object in objects/4d/ a symlink to /tmp too.
>> >
>> > Without this patch the individual object is still a symlink, but the
>> > object under the directory gets resolved, and "un-symlinked", also with
>> > --dissociate, which seems like an existing bug.
>> >
>> > With your patch that symlink structure is copied as-is. That's more
>> > faithful under --local, but a regression for --dissociate (which didn't
>> > work fully to begin with...).
>>
>> I think that I use --local (which is the default if the repository is
>> specified as a local path) much more often than --dissociate, so for
>> me the patch would be very positive, especially since --dissociate is
>> already buggy anyway in this case.
>>
>> > I was paranoid that "no longer follows symbolic links" could also mean
>> > "will ignore those objects", but it seems to more faithfully copy things
>> > as-is for *that* case.
>>
>> Nice!
>>
>> > But then I try with --no-hardlinks and stock git dereferences my symlink
>> > structure, but with your patches fails completely:
>> >
>> >     Cloning into bare repository 'repo2'...
>> >     error: copy-fd: read returned: Is a directory
>> >     fatal: failed to copy file to 'repo2/objects/c4': Is a directory
>> >     fatal: the remote end hung up unexpectedly
>> >     fatal: cannot change to 'repo2': No such file or directory
>>
>> Maybe this could be fixed. Anyway I don't use --no-hardlinks very
>> often, so I still think the patch is a positive even with this
>> failure.
>>
>> > So there's at least one case in a few minutes of prodding this where we
>> > can't clone a working repo now, however obscure the setup.
>> >
>> > >  - Hidden directories won't be skipped anymore. In fact, it is odd that
>> > >    the function currently skip hidden directories but not hidden files.
>> > >    The reason for that could be unintentional: probably the intention
>> > >    was to skip '.' and '..' only, but it ended up accidentally skipping
>> > >    all directories starting with '.'. Again, it must not be a problem
>> > >    not to skip hidden dirs since hidden dirs/files are not expected at
>> > >    .git/objects.
>> >
>> > I reproduce this with --local. A ".foo" isn't copied before, now it
>> > is. Good, I guess. We'd have already copied a "foo".
>> >
>> > >  - Now, copy_or_link_directory will call die() in case of an error on
>> > >    openddir, readdir or lstat, inside dir_iterator_advance. That means
>> > >    it will abort in case of an error trying to fetch any iteration
>> > >    entry.
>>
>> It would be nice if the above paragraph in the commit message would
>> say what was the previous behavior and why it's better to die() .
>>
>> > Good, but really IMNSHO this series is tweaking some critical core code
>> > and desperately needs tests.
>>
>> It's critical that this code works well in the usual case, yes. (And
>> there are already a lot of tests that test that.) But when people have
>> manually tweaked things in their ".git/objects/", it's not critical
>> what happens. Many systems have "undefined behaviors" at some point
>> and that's ok.
>>
>> And no, I am not saying that we should consider it completely
>> "undefined behavior" as soon as something is manually tweaked in
>> ".git/", and yes, tests would be nice, and your comments and manual
>> tests on this are very much appreciated. It's just that I don't think
>> we should require too much when a patch, especially from a first time
>> contributor, is already improving things, though it also changes a few
>> things in a grey area.
>>
>> > Unfortunately, in this as in so many edge case we have no existing
>> > tests.
>> >
>> > This would be much easier to review and would give reviewers more
>> > confidence if the parts of this that changed behavior started with a
>> > patch or patches that just manually objects/ dirs with various
>>
>> I think "created" is missing between "manually" and  "objects/" in the
>> above sentence.
>>
>> > combinations of symlinks, hardlinks etc., and asserted that the various
>> > options did exactly what they're doing now, and made sure the
>> > source/target repos were the same after/both passed "fsck".
>> >
>> > Then followed by some version of this patch which changes the behavior,
>> > and would be forced to tweak those tests. To make it clear e.g. that
>> > some cases where we have a working "clone" are now a hard error.
>>
>> Unfortunately this would be a lot of work and not appropriate for a
>> GSoC micro-project.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Christian.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-02-25 10:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-23 19:03 [GSoC][PATCH 0/3] clone: convert explicit dir traversal to dir-iterator Matheus Tavares
2019-02-23 19:03 ` [GSoC][PATCH 1/3] dir-iterator: add pedantic option to dir_iterator_begin Matheus Tavares
2019-02-23 21:35   ` Thomas Gummerer
2019-02-24  8:35     ` Christian Couder
2019-02-24 17:43       ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2019-02-24 21:06         ` Thomas Gummerer
2019-02-23 19:03 ` [GSoC][PATCH 2/3] clone: extract function from copy_or_link_directory Matheus Tavares
2019-02-24  8:38   ` Christian Couder
2019-02-23 19:03 ` [GSoC][PATCH 3/3] clone: use dir-iterator to avoid explicit dir traversal Matheus Tavares
2019-02-23 21:48   ` Thomas Gummerer
2019-02-24 18:19     ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2019-02-23 22:40   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-02-24  9:41     ` Christian Couder
2019-02-24 14:45       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-02-25  9:45         ` Duy Nguyen
2019-02-26  0:26           ` [WIP RFC PATCH 0/7] clone: dir iterator refactoring with tests Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-02-26  0:26           ` [WIP RFC PATCH 1/7] dir-iterator: add pedantic option to dir_iterator_begin Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-02-26  0:26           ` [WIP RFC PATCH 2/7] dir-iterator: use stat() instead of lstat() Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-02-26  1:53             ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2019-02-26  0:26           ` [WIP RFC PATCH 3/7] clone: extract function from copy_or_link_directory Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-02-26  0:26           ` [WIP RFC PATCH 4/7] clone: test for our behavior on odd objects/* content Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-02-26  0:26           ` [WIP RFC PATCH 5/7] clone: use dir-iterator to avoid explicit dir traversal Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-02-26  3:48             ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2019-02-26 11:33               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-02-26  0:26           ` [WIP RFC PATCH 6/7] clone: stop ignoring dotdirs in --local etc. clone Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-02-26  0:26           ` [WIP RFC PATCH 7/7] clone: break cloning repos that have symlinks in them Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-02-25  2:31       ` [GSoC][PATCH 3/3] clone: use dir-iterator to avoid explicit dir traversal Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2019-02-25 10:25         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [this message]
2019-02-25 20:40           ` Christian Couder
2019-02-26 10:33         ` Christian Couder
2019-02-23 19:07 ` [GSoC][PATCH 0/3] clone: convert explicit dir traversal to dir-iterator Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2019-02-23 20:10   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2019-02-23 21:59 ` Thomas Gummerer
2019-02-24 16:34   ` Matheus Tavares Bernardino
2019-02-24 21:07     ` Thomas Gummerer

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