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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Steffen Prohaska <prohaska@zib.de>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] push: Add '--current', which pushes only the current branch
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:28:15 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vwssfqb0w.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <119540238994-git-send-email-prohaska@zib.de> (Steffen Prohaska's message of "Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:13:08 +0100")

Steffen Prohaska <prohaska@zib.de> writes:

> Often you want to push only the current branch to the default
> remote.  This was awkward to do in the past.

While I think --current is a handy shorthand to have, I do not
think the above description is correct.

Wouldn't your earlier patch have allowed the configuration setting:

	[remote "$there"]
        	push = HEAD
	[branch "$current"]
        	remote = $there

to work very well already?

I do not think it is "Often you want" that makes it awkward.

Instead, the awkward case is if you do the "only the current"
push NOT often enough.  If it is often enough, you set the
configuration once and the awkwardness is behind you.

If however it is not often enough, you cannot afford to have the
configuration above, because that would force you to tell from
the command line which branches, not just the current one, to
push, and that is inconvenient because it is not rare enough.

Together with your [PATCH 1/2], I like the general direction
these patckes are taking us, but it feels a bit too hasty.  I
personally am not convinced that switching to --current for
everybody is a good move.

> ...
> Maybe in two years (that's twice an eternity in git time scales):
>
> 4) make "git push --current" the default.

If these, both the uncertainly expressed by "Maybe" and "twice
an eternity" are true, which they are, the new warning in the
current patch are inappropriate.  Many people's settings depend
on a working "push the matching refs" behaviour, and we need a
very good excuse to annoy the existing happy users with such a
warning.

Remember, how much vocal the dissenters might have been on the
list in the recent discussions, we need to consider the needs of
the silent majority that has been content with the current
behaviour for a long time.

The "warning" to annoy them may be a way to get their attention
and get them involved in a discussion to decide what the default
should be.  But changing the default without giving the people
who do not like the _new_ default a way to avoid inconvenience
of always typing --matching or --current is not nice.  And
honestly, I do not think there is one single default that is
good for everybody.

We should be doing better.

A smoother transition route would be:

 - Keep "matching" the built-in default for now;

 - Take your patches (but drop "warning" bits at this point) to
   introduce 'matching' and 'current' behaviours, and a way to
   override the built-in default from the command line;

 - Introduce a configuration 'push.defaultRefs' ('matching' or
   'current') to override that built-in default, so people who
   prefer 'current' can override the built-in default, without
   having to type --current every time.

After all that happens, we can start discussing what the
built-in default should be.  When it is changed after the
discussion concludes (which may never happen), people who want
to keep 'matching' behaviour would have had the configuration
mechanism to override that built-in default for some time during
the discussion period.  So the beginning of that discussion
period is when we should start talking about "We might change
the default soon; set the configuration to your liking if you do
not want to get affected" in the warning.

Then after that, we may or may not decide to change the default.
Even if we end up not changing the default, 'current' people
will then have a way (push.matching = false) to tailor their git
for their liking, so everybody wins.

>  DESCRIPTION
> @@ -63,6 +63,12 @@ the remote repository.
>  	Instead of naming each ref to push, specifies that all
>  	refs under `$GIT_DIR/refs/heads/` be pushed.
>  
> +\--matching::
> +	Instead of naming each ref to push, specifies that matching
> +	refs under `$GIT_DIR/refs/heads/` be pushed.  Matching means
> +	the branch exists locally and at the remote under the same name.
> +	Currently, this is the default.  But this will change in the future.

For the above reason, "But this will..." is a bit premature.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-19  1:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 168+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-22  6:32 What's cooking in git/spearce.git (topics) Shawn O. Pearce
2007-10-22  6:59 ` Jeff King
2007-10-22  7:16 ` Jeff King
2007-10-23  2:32   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-23  3:48     ` Jeff King
2007-10-22  7:24 ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-10-22 15:27 ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-10-23  1:26 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-10-23  3:34   ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-10-24 12:51 ` What's cooking in git.git (topics) Junio C Hamano
2007-10-24 13:09   ` David Symonds
2007-10-24 16:08   ` Scott Parish
2007-10-24 18:27     ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-10-25  0:35       ` Scott Parish
2007-11-01  5:41   ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-01 11:02     ` Jakub Narebski
2007-11-01 20:57       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-01 18:33     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-01 19:19       ` Geert Bosch
2007-11-01 20:27         ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-01 20:47           ` Mike Hommey
2007-11-01 21:20             ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-02  0:32               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-01 21:44             ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-11-01 21:17           ` Geert Bosch
2007-11-02  0:00             ` Jonas Fonseca
2007-11-01 21:18           ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-01 21:26             ` Melchior FRANZ
2007-11-01 21:32           ` Johan Herland
2007-11-01 21:51             ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-01 22:05               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-01 22:26                 ` Bill Lear
2007-11-01 22:50                 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-02  2:19                 ` Petr Baudis
2007-11-01 21:42           ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-11-02  9:39             ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-11-01 21:57       ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-11-02  0:04       ` Jakub Narebski
2007-11-02  2:23         ` Petr Baudis
2007-11-02  7:25           ` Jakub Narebski
2007-11-02  7:28             ` Jakub Narebski
2007-11-02  8:42               ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-11-02  6:06       ` Miles Bader
2007-11-02 15:13         ` Miles Bader
2007-11-02  9:38       ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-11-02 11:03         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-11-01 21:41     ` Brian Downing
2007-11-01 21:46       ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-11-02 10:26       ` Wincent Colaiuta
2007-11-04  4:14     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-04  9:43       ` Jakub Narebski
2007-11-04 11:38       ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-11-08  8:08       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-08 20:44         ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-11-12  7:09         ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-12 12:21           ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-11-12 12:26             ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-11-12 12:33               ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-11-12 13:11                 ` [PATCH] rebase: brown paper bag fix after the detached HEAD patch Johannes Schindelin
2007-11-12 14:53                 ` What's cooking in git.git (topics) Pierre Habouzit
2007-11-12 14:27             ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-11-12 15:02               ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-11-18 16:13                 ` [PATCH 1/2] push: Add '--matching' option and print warning if it should be used Steffen Prohaska
2007-11-18 16:13                   ` [PATCH 2/2] push: Add '--current', which pushes only the current branch Steffen Prohaska
2007-11-19  1:28                     ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2007-11-19  6:41                       ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-11-19  7:27                         ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-19  7:50                           ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-19  9:27                             ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-11-19  8:17                           ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-11-19  8:35                             ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-19  9:54                               ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-11-19 16:51                                 ` [PATCH] push: Add "--current", " Steffen Prohaska
2007-11-19 11:17                               ` [PATCH 2/2] push: Add '--current', " Jakub Narebski
2007-11-19 19:57                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-19 21:04                                   ` Jakub Narebski
2007-11-19 22:15                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-19 22:29                                       ` Jakub Narebski
2007-11-19  9:24                         ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-11-12 15:15           ` [PATCH] git-commit: Add tests for invalid usage of -a/--interactive with paths Björn Steinbrink
2007-11-15  0:18           ` What's cooking in git.git (topics) Junio C Hamano
2007-11-15  0:49             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-11-15 14:49               ` [PATCH] t7501-commit: Add test for git commit <file> with dirty index Kristian Høgsberg
2007-11-15 15:55                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-11-15 16:11                 ` [PATCH] builtin-commit: fix "git add x y && git commit y" committing x, too Johannes Schindelin
2007-11-15 16:37                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-11-15 17:01                   ` Kristian Høgsberg
2007-11-16  0:43                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-11-17  8:45                       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-18  9:18                         ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-17 12:40             ` What's cooking in git.git (topics) Jeff King
2007-11-17 20:51             ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-17 23:42               ` Alex Riesen
2007-11-18  1:29                 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-21  9:23               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-23  8:48                 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-23 10:30                   ` Jeff King
2007-11-23 13:23                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-11-24 11:38                       ` Jeff King
2007-11-24 15:47                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-11-24 19:09                           ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-25 21:51                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-11-25 22:42                               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-25 23:08                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-11-26  4:02                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-11-26  4:15                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-11-26  4:29                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-11-26  4:45                                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-11-26  9:03                                     ` Jakub Narebski
2007-11-26  9:09                                       ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-11-26 19:11                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-11-26 19:24                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-11-26 20:25                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-11-26 20:40                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-26 20:45                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-11-26 21:09                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-11-26 21:22                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-11-26 22:02                                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-11-26 23:05                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-11-26 23:28                                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-11-26 23:52                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-11-27  4:05                                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-05 21:58                                                 ` Miles Bader
2007-11-26 21:14                                             ` Jakub Narebski
2007-11-26 21:36                                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-11-26 21:47                                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-11-26  6:15                                   ` Jan Hudec
2007-11-25 20:27                   ` Junio C Hamano
2007-11-25 20:36                     ` Jakub Narebski
2007-11-25 20:53                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-12-01  2:37                     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-01  8:55                       ` Eric Wong
2007-12-02 14:14                       ` [PATCH, next version] Add 'git fast-export', the sister of 'git fast-import' Johannes Schindelin
2007-12-02 14:40                       ` What's cooking in git.git (topics) Johannes Schindelin
2007-12-04  8:43                       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-04  9:40                         ` Johannes Sixt
2007-12-04 10:08                           ` msysGit on FAT32 (was: What's cooking in git.git (topics)) Jakub Narebski
2007-12-04 13:30                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-12-04 13:48                               ` msysGit on FAT32 Johannes Sixt
2007-12-04 14:37                                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-12-04 20:03                           ` What's cooking in git.git (topics) Steffen Prohaska
2007-12-05 10:59                         ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-05 11:08                           ` Jakub Narebski
2007-12-05 11:10                           ` Jakub Narebski
2007-12-06  4:43                             ` Jeff King
2007-12-05 11:37                           ` [PATCH] Soft aliases: add "less" and minimal documentation Johannes Schindelin
2007-12-05 19:45                             ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-06  4:50                               ` Jeff King
2007-12-06  4:32                           ` What's cooking in git.git (topics) Jeff King
2007-12-07  9:51                           ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-07 11:11                             ` Jakub Narebski
2007-12-07 19:29                               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-07 21:36                             ` Miklos Vajna
2007-12-09 10:27                             ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-13  2:48                               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-13  3:22                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-13 22:31                                   ` [PATCH 1/2] xdl_diff: identify call sites Junio C Hamano
2007-12-14  7:03                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-13 22:31                                   ` [PATCH 2/2] xdi_diff: trim common trailing lines Junio C Hamano
2007-12-14  9:06                                     ` Peter Baumann
2007-12-14 19:15                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-17  8:40                                 ` What's cooking in git.git (topics) Junio C Hamano
2007-12-23  9:20                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-31 10:47                                     ` checkout --push/--pop idea (Re: What's cooking in git.git (topics)) Jan Hudec
2008-01-05 11:01                                     ` What's cooking in git.git (topics) Junio C Hamano
2008-01-05 16:04                                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-01-22  8:47                                       ` What will be cooking in git.git post 1.5.4 (topics) Junio C Hamano
2007-12-04 16:18                       ` What's cooking in git.git (topics) Brian Downing

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