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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: John Keeping <john@keeping.me.uk>
Cc: Andreas Krey <a.krey@gmx.de>,
	John Szakmeister <john@szakmeister.net>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: first parent, commit graph layout, and pull merge direction
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 14:01:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vbo81e7gs.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130523164114.GV27005@serenity.lan> (John Keeping's message of "Thu, 23 May 2013 17:41:14 +0100")

John Keeping <john@keeping.me.uk> writes:

> I have to wonder how often "git pull" with no arguments actually does
> what users really want (even if they don't know it!) when it doesn't
> result in a fast-forward (and pull.rebase isn't configured).

If you are in a totally centralized shared repository mindset
without using topic branch workflow, --first-parent would not help
you.  In your history the second parent is more likely to be the
mainline.

So for them "git pull" that either fast-forward when it can, or
makes a merge that records the then-current state of the central
shared repository, is perfectly sensible.  They will view gitk and
see all the changes, "git shortlog" and "git log --no-merges" will
give them what they expect.

> Hence my suggestion to error when "git pull" doesn't result in a
> fast-forward and no branch name is specified.  We could give some advice
> like:
>
>     Your local changes are not included in the local branch and you
>     haven't told Git how to preserve them.
>
>     If you want to rebase your changes onto the modified upstream
>     branch, run:
>
>         git pull --rebase

I can parse the first paragraph above, but cannot make much sense
out of it.  Unless you are talking about local changes that are not
committed yet, that is.  But in that case I fail to see what it has
to do with the current discussion, or suggestion to use rebase.

>> But people need to realize that it is not solving the other half, a
>> more fundamental problem some people have in their workflow.
>
> Yes, but some users don't realise that their workflow is broken, and
> perhaps we can nudge them in the right direction.

I actually avoided mentioning that deliberately, because I think the
"flip the head when merging" encourages people to (1) work directly
on 'master' and (2) pull too often when they shouldn't.

That is detrimental if your goal is to nudge them in the right
direction.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-23 21:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-22 11:50 first parent, commit graph layout, and pull merge direction Andreas Krey
2013-05-22 18:07 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-23  9:06   ` Andreas Krey
2013-05-23  9:48     ` John Szakmeister
2013-05-23 10:07       ` Jeremy Rosen
2013-05-23 10:29       ` Andreas Krey
2013-05-23 11:08         ` John Keeping
2013-05-23 16:01           ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-23 16:41             ` John Keeping
2013-05-23 21:01               ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2013-05-23 21:55                 ` John Keeping
2013-05-23 21:59                   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-05-23 22:11                   ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-23 22:46                     ` Felipe Contreras
2013-05-23 22:54                       ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-23 23:09                         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-05-23 23:26                           ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-23 23:53                             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-05-24  8:29                               ` John Keeping
2013-05-24  9:38                                 ` John Szakmeister
2013-05-24  0:03                     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-05-24  0:21                       ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-24  0:24                         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-05-24  0:25                         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-05-24  0:32                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-05-24 16:26                             ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-24 20:47                               ` Philip Oakley
2013-06-27 19:48                       ` [PATCH] pull: require choice between rebase/merge on non-fast-forward pull Junio C Hamano
2013-06-27 20:10                         ` W. Trevor King
2013-06-27 21:20                           ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-28  1:08                             ` W. Trevor King
2013-06-28  6:34                           ` Matthieu Moy
2013-06-28  9:09                             ` W. Trevor King
2013-06-28 11:52                               ` Matthieu Moy
2013-06-28 12:28                                 ` W. Trevor King
2013-06-27 20:11                         ` Fredrik Gustafsson
2013-06-27 20:49                           ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-27 20:30                         ` W. Trevor King
2013-06-27 20:58                           ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-27 22:16                         ` Matthieu Moy
2013-06-28  1:19                           ` W. Trevor King
2013-06-28  8:09                         ` John Keeping
2013-06-28 17:22                           ` Junio C Hamano
2013-06-28 17:42                             ` John Keeping
2013-06-28 22:41                               ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-02 21:18                                 ` John Keeping
2013-07-14 15:03                                 ` [PATCH] fixup! " John Keeping
2013-07-15  4:23                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2013-08-28 23:22                                 ` [PATCH] " Felipe Contreras
2013-07-18 14:30                         ` John Keeping
2013-07-18 17:38                           ` Andreas Schwab
2013-07-18 18:00                             ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-18 19:35                               ` [PATCH v2] " Junio C Hamano
2013-07-19  0:54                                 ` Eric Sunshine
2013-07-19 16:22                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-19 20:29                                     ` Eric Sunshine
2013-07-19 22:20                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-19 22:30                                         ` Eric Sunshine
2013-07-19 22:55                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2014-01-22 19:08                                 ` Flimm
2013-05-24 17:11             ` first parent, commit graph layout, and pull merge direction Andreas Krey
2013-05-24 19:23               ` Junio C Hamano
2013-05-23 19:25     ` Andreas Krey
2013-05-24  9:29       ` Holger Hellmuth (IKS)
2013-05-24 13:42         ` Andreas Krey
2013-05-24 15:05           ` Holger Hellmuth (IKS)
2013-05-24 17:24             ` Andreas Krey
2013-05-23 11:34 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-05-23 12:21   ` Andreas Krey

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