From: Whinis <Whinis@whinis.com>
To: philipoakley@iee.email
Cc: Whinis@whinis.com, bturner@atlassian.com, git@vger.kernel.org,
james@jramsay.com.au, me@ttaylorr.com, msuchanek@suse.de,
peff@peff.net
Subject: Re: Consensus on a new default branch name
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 19:08:42 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <66d8c2fe-266c-f6b4-447c-bbe3eedc78ed@whinis.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6998b083-fbdf-03e9-8633-d57123f1f0de@iee.email>
> The point there was that it was, at the time, a complaint that had a
> response which was passed into the community.
Right but as is the case here of a likely either malicious requests or
an offhand comment leading to disproportionate response just as I
believe this started due to a wallstreet journal article inflating a
pair of terms used for over 100 years as racists simply due to being used.
> It's the *misuse* that's racist
Are you saying using the word master is racists? Are you aware of the
origins of the term and how far back it goes? or that mister is also a
mutation of the same word? Cause that a rather high bar to state
considering its use not just in programing or engineering but also
things such as master degree and master copy. Its also rather odd
considering that suggestion that master alone is racists from what I can
tell started only with this git issue.
> The original US case was with reference to the joint use of
> master-slave. That Jstor article may be behind a log-in wall, so I
> extracted from the essay, for immediate readers, some of the initial
> uses of that term pair in engineering.
That's fair, I have a university subscription and have seen that article
a few times. Its ultimately a first pass article that someone could take
further but should in no way be used as proof that this was the first
use of this pair. Also the pair does not exists in this case so its a
rather odd citation.
> It's that Git is *distributed*, rather than a single central source of
> truth that old version control systems used. I remember the smell of
> blueprints, and of kaolin & linen master drawings (unique works of art,
> protected and valued). That has all gone. It now a case of validating
> the copy you have same hash. The chain of evidence has reversed.
Sure, how does that impact the use of the word master? its the branch
name as in the branch, as described by the person that picked the name,
of the master copy. Git being distributed has nothing todo with the branch
> Gits choice is only 15 years old. There have been other changes to Git,
> and the forthcoming hash change is much more of an 'impacts everyone'
> change. Any direction of travel always includes some changes, generally
> for the better.
Framing moving large sections of words out of use that have been in
common use for at least 100 years in a technical sense and has no racial
connection or common racial usage seems a rather odd thing to consider
progress. I would view people developing non-existent connections
between words just as the snopes articles showed is a step backwards and
shows a lack of education on words. If you first thought with seeing a
word is how can it offend someone it might be difficult to work around.
If anything you are inflating problems that don't actually exists.
-Whinis
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-07-02 23:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-06-15 20:57 Consensus on a new default branch name Taylor Blau
2020-06-15 21:10 ` Santiago Torres Arias
2020-06-15 21:21 ` Taylor Blau
2020-06-16 14:31 ` Jeff King
2020-06-16 14:52 ` Oleg
2020-06-16 16:00 ` Jeff King
2020-06-16 17:11 ` Oleg
2020-06-16 17:32 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-16 18:54 ` Oleg
2020-06-16 22:18 ` Jeff King
2020-06-16 16:10 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-06-16 16:13 ` Santiago Torres Arias
2020-06-16 16:48 ` Jeff King
2020-06-16 16:14 ` Jason Pyeron
2020-06-16 16:47 ` Jeff King
2020-06-16 17:44 ` Steve Litt
2020-06-16 19:00 ` Oleg
2020-06-17 18:06 ` Michal Suchánek
2020-07-01 17:31 ` Michal Suchánek
2020-07-01 21:57 ` Jeff King
2020-07-02 12:21 ` Whinis
2020-07-02 21:15 ` Philip Oakley
2020-07-02 21:59 ` Whinis
2020-07-02 22:47 ` Philip Oakley
2020-07-02 23:08 ` Whinis [this message]
2020-07-01 22:25 ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-06-15 22:38 ` Elijah Newren
2020-06-16 14:32 ` Jeff King
2020-06-17 20:13 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-15 23:24 ` brian m. carlson
2020-06-16 0:50 ` James Ramsay
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-06-16 1:58 Nomen Nescio
2020-06-16 2:22 ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-06-16 2:31 ` Taylor Blau
2020-06-16 14:38 ` Jeff King
2020-06-17 0:01 Anonymous Remailer (austria)
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