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* [PATCH 0/2] doc: git-checkout: trivial style improvements
@ 2023-04-18  7:00 Felipe Contreras
  2023-04-18  7:00 ` [PATCH 1/2] doc: git-checkout: trivial callout cleanup Felipe Contreras
  2023-04-18  7:00 ` [PATCH 2/2] doc: git-checkout: reorganize examples Felipe Contreras
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Felipe Contreras @ 2023-04-18  7:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: git; +Cc: Jeff King, Felipe Contreras

There is a formatting issue discussed in [1] that is readily apparent in
manpages after removing one of our hacks, but it's also present in HTML
documentation generated by asciidoc-py.

This series fixes that issue and cleans up our use of callouts.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/git/20230418061713.GA169940@coredump.intra.peff.net/T/

Felipe Contreras (2):
  doc: git-checkout: trivial callout cleanup
  doc: git-checkout: reorganize examples

 Documentation/git-checkout.txt | 54 ++++++++++++++++++----------------
 1 file changed, 28 insertions(+), 26 deletions(-)

-- 
2.40.0+fc1


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* [PATCH 1/2] doc: git-checkout: trivial callout cleanup
  2023-04-18  7:00 [PATCH 0/2] doc: git-checkout: trivial style improvements Felipe Contreras
@ 2023-04-18  7:00 ` Felipe Contreras
  2023-04-19 19:37   ` Junio C Hamano
  2023-04-18  7:00 ` [PATCH 2/2] doc: git-checkout: reorganize examples Felipe Contreras
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Felipe Contreras @ 2023-04-18  7:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: git; +Cc: Jeff King, Felipe Contreras

The callouts are directly tied to the listing above, remove spaces to
make it clear they are one and the same.

Signed-off-by: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
---
 Documentation/git-checkout.txt | 4 ----
 1 file changed, 4 deletions(-)

diff --git a/Documentation/git-checkout.txt b/Documentation/git-checkout.txt
index 6bb32ab460..8ddeec63dd 100644
--- a/Documentation/git-checkout.txt
+++ b/Documentation/git-checkout.txt
@@ -483,14 +483,11 @@ $ git checkout -b foo  # or "git switch -c foo"  <1>
 $ git branch foo                                 <2>
 $ git tag foo                                    <3>
 ------------
-
 <1> creates a new branch `foo`, which refers to commit `f`, and then
     updates `HEAD` to refer to branch `foo`. In other words, we'll no longer
     be in detached `HEAD` state after this command.
-
 <2> similarly creates a new branch `foo`, which refers to commit `f`,
     but leaves `HEAD` detached.
-
 <3> creates a new tag `foo`, which refers to commit `f`,
     leaving `HEAD` detached.
 
@@ -529,7 +526,6 @@ $ git checkout master~2 Makefile  <2>
 $ rm -f hello.c
 $ git checkout hello.c            <3>
 ------------
-+
 <1> switch branch
 <2> take a file out of another commit
 <3> restore `hello.c` from the index
-- 
2.40.0+fc1


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* [PATCH 2/2] doc: git-checkout: reorganize examples
  2023-04-18  7:00 [PATCH 0/2] doc: git-checkout: trivial style improvements Felipe Contreras
  2023-04-18  7:00 ` [PATCH 1/2] doc: git-checkout: trivial callout cleanup Felipe Contreras
@ 2023-04-18  7:00 ` Felipe Contreras
  2023-04-19 19:37   ` Junio C Hamano
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Felipe Contreras @ 2023-04-18  7:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: git; +Cc: Jeff King, Felipe Contreras

The examples are an ordered list, however, they are complex enough that
a callout is inside example 1, and that confuses the parsers as the list
continuation (`+`) is unclear (are we continuing the previous list item,
or the previous callout?).

We could use an open block as the asciidoctor documentation suggests,
but that has a tiny formatting issue (a newline is missing).

To simplify things for everyone (the reader, the writer, and the parser)
let's use subsections.

After this change, the HTML documentation generated with asciidoc has
the right indentation.

Cc: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Signed-off-by: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
---
 Documentation/git-checkout.txt | 50 +++++++++++++++++++---------------
 1 file changed, 28 insertions(+), 22 deletions(-)

diff --git a/Documentation/git-checkout.txt b/Documentation/git-checkout.txt
index 8ddeec63dd..4af0904f47 100644
--- a/Documentation/git-checkout.txt
+++ b/Documentation/git-checkout.txt
@@ -516,10 +516,12 @@ to checkout these paths out of the index.
 EXAMPLES
 --------
 
-. The following sequence checks out the `master` branch, reverts
-  the `Makefile` to two revisions back, deletes `hello.c` by
-  mistake, and gets it back from the index.
-+
+=== 1. Paths
+
+The following sequence checks out the `master` branch, reverts
+the `Makefile` to two revisions back, deletes `hello.c` by
+mistake, and gets it back from the index.
+
 ------------
 $ git checkout master             <1>
 $ git checkout master~2 Makefile  <2>
@@ -529,70 +531,74 @@ $ git checkout hello.c            <3>
 <1> switch branch
 <2> take a file out of another commit
 <3> restore `hello.c` from the index
-+
+
 If you want to check out _all_ C source files out of the index,
 you can say
-+
+
 ------------
 $ git checkout -- '*.c'
 ------------
-+
+
 Note the quotes around `*.c`.  The file `hello.c` will also be
 checked out, even though it is no longer in the working tree,
 because the file globbing is used to match entries in the index
 (not in the working tree by the shell).
-+
+
 If you have an unfortunate branch that is named `hello.c`, this
 step would be confused as an instruction to switch to that branch.
 You should instead write:
-+
+
 ------------
 $ git checkout -- hello.c
 ------------
 
-. After working in the wrong branch, switching to the correct
-  branch would be done using:
-+
+=== 2. Merge
+
+After working in the wrong branch, switching to the correct
+branch would be done using:
+
 ------------
 $ git checkout mytopic
 ------------
-+
+
 However, your "wrong" branch and correct `mytopic` branch may
 differ in files that you have modified locally, in which case
 the above checkout would fail like this:
-+
+
 ------------
 $ git checkout mytopic
 error: You have local changes to 'frotz'; not switching branches.
 ------------
-+
+
 You can give the `-m` flag to the command, which would try a
 three-way merge:
-+
+
 ------------
 $ git checkout -m mytopic
 Auto-merging frotz
 ------------
-+
+
 After this three-way merge, the local modifications are _not_
 registered in your index file, so `git diff` would show you what
 changes you made since the tip of the new branch.
 
-. When a merge conflict happens during switching branches with
-  the `-m` option, you would see something like this:
-+
+=== 3. Merge conflict
+
+When a merge conflict happens during switching branches with
+the `-m` option, you would see something like this:
+
 ------------
 $ git checkout -m mytopic
 Auto-merging frotz
 ERROR: Merge conflict in frotz
 fatal: merge program failed
 ------------
-+
+
 At this point, `git diff` shows the changes cleanly merged as in
 the previous example, as well as the changes in the conflicted
 files.  Edit and resolve the conflict and mark it resolved with
 `git add` as usual:
-+
+
 ------------
 $ edit frotz
 $ git add frotz
-- 
2.40.0+fc1


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* Re: [PATCH 1/2] doc: git-checkout: trivial callout cleanup
  2023-04-18  7:00 ` [PATCH 1/2] doc: git-checkout: trivial callout cleanup Felipe Contreras
@ 2023-04-19 19:37   ` Junio C Hamano
  2023-04-24 13:28     ` Felipe Contreras
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Junio C Hamano @ 2023-04-19 19:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Felipe Contreras; +Cc: git, Jeff King

Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com> writes:

> The callouts are directly tied to the listing above, remove spaces to
> make it clear they are one and the same.
>
> Signed-off-by: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
> ---
>  Documentation/git-checkout.txt | 4 ----
>  1 file changed, 4 deletions(-)

I tried to format git-checkout.1 and git-checkout.html from HEAD and
HEAD^ after applying this step, with asciidoc and asciidoctor, and
did not see any difference that came from this patch.  Am I correct
to understand that this patch is done purely for the benefit of
human readers, and not for formatting machinery?

It may be subjective for those who read the source if it is easier
to read with or without inter-paragraph spaces, but in any case, the
resulting source material now look the same way between two hunks,
and consistency is good.

Queued.  Thanks.

> diff --git a/Documentation/git-checkout.txt b/Documentation/git-checkout.txt
> index 6bb32ab460..8ddeec63dd 100644
> --- a/Documentation/git-checkout.txt
> +++ b/Documentation/git-checkout.txt
> @@ -483,14 +483,11 @@ $ git checkout -b foo  # or "git switch -c foo"  <1>
>  $ git branch foo                                 <2>
>  $ git tag foo                                    <3>
>  ------------
> -
>  <1> creates a new branch `foo`, which refers to commit `f`, and then
>      updates `HEAD` to refer to branch `foo`. In other words, we'll no longer
>      be in detached `HEAD` state after this command.
> -
>  <2> similarly creates a new branch `foo`, which refers to commit `f`,
>      but leaves `HEAD` detached.
> -
>  <3> creates a new tag `foo`, which refers to commit `f`,
>      leaving `HEAD` detached.
>  
> @@ -529,7 +526,6 @@ $ git checkout master~2 Makefile  <2>
>  $ rm -f hello.c
>  $ git checkout hello.c            <3>
>  ------------
> -+
>  <1> switch branch
>  <2> take a file out of another commit
>  <3> restore `hello.c` from the index

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* Re: [PATCH 2/2] doc: git-checkout: reorganize examples
  2023-04-18  7:00 ` [PATCH 2/2] doc: git-checkout: reorganize examples Felipe Contreras
@ 2023-04-19 19:37   ` Junio C Hamano
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Junio C Hamano @ 2023-04-19 19:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Felipe Contreras; +Cc: git, Jeff King

Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com> writes:

> To simplify things for everyone (the reader, the writer, and the parser)
> let's use subsections.

Makes sense.  Queued.  Thanks.

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* Re: [PATCH 1/2] doc: git-checkout: trivial callout cleanup
  2023-04-19 19:37   ` Junio C Hamano
@ 2023-04-24 13:28     ` Felipe Contreras
  2023-04-25  0:02       ` Junio C Hamano
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Felipe Contreras @ 2023-04-24 13:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Junio C Hamano, Felipe Contreras; +Cc: git, Jeff King

Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > The callouts are directly tied to the listing above, remove spaces to
> > make it clear they are one and the same.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
> > ---
> >  Documentation/git-checkout.txt | 4 ----
> >  1 file changed, 4 deletions(-)
> 
> I tried to format git-checkout.1 and git-checkout.html from HEAD and
> HEAD^ after applying this step, with asciidoc and asciidoctor, and
> did not see any difference that came from this patch.  Am I correct
> to understand that this patch is done purely for the benefit of
> human readers, and not for formatting machinery?

No, it's for the formatting machinery.

The fact that both asciidoc and asciidoctor happen to understand our quircky
formatting in this particualr situation doesn't mean it isn't quirky.

In this particular case the parsers do understand what we are trying to do,
because we just just pepper list continuations (`+`) everywhere and it happens
to work.

This works:

  1. item
  +
  ----
  line 1 <1>
  ----
  +
  <1> callout 1

But if we used an open block instead (which is more propper), this does not:

  1. item
  +
  --
  ----
  line 1 <1>
  ----
  +
  <1> callout 1
  --

This discrepancy confused Jeff in [1].

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/git/20230418061713.GA169940@coredump.intra.peff.net/

> It may be subjective for those who read the source if it is easier
> to read with or without inter-paragraph spaces, but in any case, the
> resulting source material now look the same way between two hunks,
> and consistency is good.

That is an added benefit.

It's simply a good practice to follow the format asciidoctor documentation:
which doesn't contain spaces, doesn't require adding list continations, it's
easier to interpret by the parsers, and works inside open blocks.

-- 
Felipe Contreras

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* Re: [PATCH 1/2] doc: git-checkout: trivial callout cleanup
  2023-04-24 13:28     ` Felipe Contreras
@ 2023-04-25  0:02       ` Junio C Hamano
  2023-04-25  6:10         ` Jeff King
  2023-04-27 21:30         ` Felipe Contreras
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Junio C Hamano @ 2023-04-25  0:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Felipe Contreras; +Cc: git, Jeff King

Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com> writes:

> No, it's for the formatting machinery.
>
> The fact that both asciidoc and asciidoctor happen to understand our quircky
> formatting in this particualr situation doesn't mean it isn't quirky.
>
> In this particular case the parsers do understand what we are trying to do,
> because we just just pepper list continuations (`+`) everywhere and it happens
> to work.

I'll stop at pointing out that the first "no" sounds much stronger
than the text that tries to substantiate it, which says that the
machinery works fine without the changes.

> This discrepancy confused Jeff in [1].

And this is a good reason to add this change for humans.

> It's simply a good practice to follow the format asciidoctor documentation:

That one I would agree with 100%.

Thanks.

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* Re: [PATCH 1/2] doc: git-checkout: trivial callout cleanup
  2023-04-25  0:02       ` Junio C Hamano
@ 2023-04-25  6:10         ` Jeff King
  2023-04-27 22:09           ` Felipe Contreras
  2023-05-03 17:44           ` Junio C Hamano
  2023-04-27 21:30         ` Felipe Contreras
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Jeff King @ 2023-04-25  6:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Junio C Hamano; +Cc: Felipe Contreras, git

On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 05:02:25PM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote:

> Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > No, it's for the formatting machinery.
> >
> > The fact that both asciidoc and asciidoctor happen to understand our quircky
> > formatting in this particualr situation doesn't mean it isn't quirky.
> >
> > In this particular case the parsers do understand what we are trying to do,
> > because we just just pepper list continuations (`+`) everywhere and it happens
> > to work.
> 
> I'll stop at pointing out that the first "no" sounds much stronger
> than the text that tries to substantiate it, which says that the
> machinery works fine without the changes.
> 
> > This discrepancy confused Jeff in [1].
> 
> And this is a good reason to add this change for humans.

Since I'm being used as the example, I'd like to point that I think this
is somewhat tangential to what actually confused me there.

What confused me in that earlier message was that having "+" as the
continuation between a code-block and its call-out list is odd, since
"+" is about continuing a list item. It happens to work because we're in
a larger list item, but it breaks when you put the two of them in their
own block (which is the part that got me).

Using just a blank line between the code block and the call-out list
(instead of the "+") works for asciidoc (it is happy to keep the two
together) but not asciidoctor (it ends the outer ordered list before
starting the callout list).

So the second hunk in the patch, to drop the extra continuation between
the code block and the callout, makes perfect sense to me.

The first hunk seems less obviously good to me. We're not part of a
list, so there's no continuation. We might say that it is good to always
stick the callout list directly adjacent to the associated code block,
since it does matter in other cases. But dropping the blank lines
between the paragraph-sized callout blocks makes the source less
readable, and empty lines between list elements are a pretty normal
thing in asciidoc.

That said, I don't feel _too_ strongly about it, so I'm OK with the
patch as-is.

-Peff

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* Re: [PATCH 1/2] doc: git-checkout: trivial callout cleanup
  2023-04-25  0:02       ` Junio C Hamano
  2023-04-25  6:10         ` Jeff King
@ 2023-04-27 21:30         ` Felipe Contreras
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Felipe Contreras @ 2023-04-27 21:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Junio C Hamano, Felipe Contreras; +Cc: git, Jeff King

Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > No, it's for the formatting machinery.
> >
> > The fact that both asciidoc and asciidoctor happen to understand our quircky
> > formatting in this particualr situation doesn't mean it isn't quirky.
> >
> > In this particular case the parsers do understand what we are trying to do,
> > because we just just pepper list continuations (`+`) everywhere and it happens
> > to work.
> 
> I'll stop at pointing out that the first "no" sounds much stronger
> than the text that tries to substantiate it, which says that the
> machinery works fine without the changes.

The question was if this patch was done *purely* for the benefit of human
readers:

> > > Am I correct to understand that this patch is done purely for the benefit
> > > of human readers, and not for formatting machinery?

Even if the conclusion was that it was done primarily for the benefit of human
readers and secondarily for machine parsers (it shouldn't), that's still a
"no".

> > This discrepancy confused Jeff in [1].
> 
> And this is a good reason to add this change for humans.
> 
> > It's simply a good practice to follow the format asciidoctor documentation:
> 
> That one I would agree with 100%.

---

To draw a parallel with a situation the git dev community is much more familiar
with: we can think of asciidoc as the shell language. AsiiDoc is trying to be a
specified language [1], just like POSIX shell.

The fact that some syntax happens to work on all the *current* shells does not
mean it is specified, and it does not mean that it must work on future shells.

Similarly, the fact some asciidoc syntax happens to work on the current
transformers doesn't mean it will work on all future ones. Moreover,
transformers are not the only consideration, as text editors trying to parse
the same text also matter.

Not to mention blurry lines like human-like-machines like LLMs helping humans
with the code, and machine-like-humans because apparently the way I read the
asciidoc code is different than my fellow humans (I'm thinking of how a parser
could interpret it).

Either way, if the question was about *my* motivation for the patch, it was
just consistency, which helps both humans and machines.

Cheers.

[1] https://asciidoc-wg.eclipse.org/

-- 
Felipe Contreras

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* Re: [PATCH 1/2] doc: git-checkout: trivial callout cleanup
  2023-04-25  6:10         ` Jeff King
@ 2023-04-27 22:09           ` Felipe Contreras
  2023-05-02 10:18             ` Jeff King
  2023-05-03 17:44           ` Junio C Hamano
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Felipe Contreras @ 2023-04-27 22:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jeff King, Junio C Hamano; +Cc: Felipe Contreras, git

Jeff King wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 05:02:25PM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> 
> > Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com> writes:
> > 
> > > No, it's for the formatting machinery.
> > >
> > > The fact that both asciidoc and asciidoctor happen to understand our quircky
> > > formatting in this particualr situation doesn't mean it isn't quirky.
> > >
> > > In this particular case the parsers do understand what we are trying to do,
> > > because we just just pepper list continuations (`+`) everywhere and it happens
> > > to work.
> > 
> > I'll stop at pointing out that the first "no" sounds much stronger
> > than the text that tries to substantiate it, which says that the
> > machinery works fine without the changes.
> > 
> > > This discrepancy confused Jeff in [1].
> > 
> > And this is a good reason to add this change for humans.
> 
> Since I'm being used as the example, I'd like to point that I think this
> is somewhat tangential to what actually confused me there.
> 
> What confused me in that earlier message was that having "+" as the
> continuation between a code-block and its call-out list is odd, since
> "+" is about continuing a list item.

Indeed.

> It happens to work because we're in a larger list item,

No, there's only one list item, but yes, it works when the callout is inside
one.

The `+` is continuing the list item the callout list is part of, it's not part
of the callout.

> but it breaks when you put the two of them in their own block (which is the
> part that got me).

You only need to put one, but when you do, the `+` doesn't belong there as it's
not part of the callout.

> Using just a blank line between the code block and the call-out list
> (instead of the "+") works for asciidoc (it is happy to keep the two
> together) but not asciidoctor (it ends the outer ordered list before
> starting the callout list).

I don't know what you mean.

These are three paragraphs:

  foo

  bar

  roo

These are two paragraphs inside a list item with continuations:

  1. foo
  +
  bar
  +
  roo

These are three paragraphs inside a list item with an open block:


  1. foo
  +
  --
  bar
  
  roo
  --

If you are inside an open block, you don't need the list continuations (`+`).

Therefore a callout inside an open block inside a list item does not need continuations:

  1. foo
  +
  --
  ----
  line 1 <1>
  line 2 <2>
  ----

  <1> callout 1

  <2> callout 2
  --

Just like a callout outside a list item:

  ----
  line 1 <1>
  line 2 <2>
  ----

  <1> callout 1

  <2> callout 2

It's only a callout inside a list item with no open block that needs
continuations, just like any other paragraph:

  1. foo
  +
  ----
  line 1 <1>
  line 2 <2>
  ----
  +
  <1> callout 1
  +
  <2> callout 2

> So the second hunk in the patch, to drop the extra continuation between
> the code block and the callout, makes perfect sense to me.
> 
> The first hunk seems less obviously good to me.

I don't see why: it's exactly the same change: removing an unnecessary space.

Except that space is represented with a `+` inside a list item.

> We might say that it is good to always
> stick the callout list directly adjacent to the associated code block,
> since it does matter in other cases.

I'd say that is good.

> But dropping the blank lines between the paragraph-sized callout blocks makes
> the source less readable,

That is a value judgement. It may be less readable to you, I disagree.

I would expect the subsequent callout blocks as close to the listing block they
refer to as possible.

> and empty lines between list elements are a pretty normal thing in asciidoc.

Usually, yeah when these list elements are independent, but callout elements
are not independent.

To me this is perfectly readable:

  This is a simple example in sh:

  ----
  #!/bin/sh          <1>
  echo 'hello world' <2>
  ----
  <1> Shebang
  <2> "echo" prints

  This is a simple example in Ruby:

  ----
  #!/usr/bin/env ruby <1>
  puts 'hello world' <2>
  ----
  <1> Standard shebang
  <2> "puts" puts a string

Put spaces on the callouts, and it's the exact opposite:

  This is a simple example in sh:

  ----
  #!/bin/sh          <1>
  echo 'hello world' <2>
  ----

  <1> Shebang

  <2> "echo" prints

  This is a simple example in Ruby:

  ----
  #!/usr/bin/env ruby <1>
  puts 'hello world'  <2>
  ----

  <1> Standard shebang

  <2> "puts" puts a string

Cheers.

-- 
Felipe Contreras

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* Re: [PATCH 1/2] doc: git-checkout: trivial callout cleanup
  2023-04-27 22:09           ` Felipe Contreras
@ 2023-05-02 10:18             ` Jeff King
  2023-05-02 16:05               ` Felipe Contreras
  2023-05-03  6:09               ` Junio C Hamano
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Jeff King @ 2023-05-02 10:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Felipe Contreras; +Cc: Junio C Hamano, git

On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 04:09:32PM -0600, Felipe Contreras wrote:

> > Using just a blank line between the code block and the call-out list
> > (instead of the "+") works for asciidoc (it is happy to keep the two
> > together) but not asciidoctor (it ends the outer ordered list before
> > starting the callout list).
> 
> I don't know what you mean.

For reference, I meant this:

diff --git a/Documentation/git-checkout.txt b/Documentation/git-checkout.txt
index 6bb32ab460..ed32497290 100644
--- a/Documentation/git-checkout.txt
+++ b/Documentation/git-checkout.txt
@@ -529,7 +529,7 @@ $ git checkout master~2 Makefile  <2>
 $ rm -f hello.c
 $ git checkout hello.c            <3>
 ------------
-+
+
 <1> switch branch
 <2> take a file out of another commit
 <3> restore `hello.c` from the index

which asciidoc renders the same, but asciidoctor is not.

Your patch is now in master removing the line entirely, though, so the
point is moot.

-Peff

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* Re: [PATCH 1/2] doc: git-checkout: trivial callout cleanup
  2023-05-02 10:18             ` Jeff King
@ 2023-05-02 16:05               ` Felipe Contreras
  2023-05-03  6:09               ` Junio C Hamano
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Felipe Contreras @ 2023-05-02 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jeff King, Felipe Contreras; +Cc: Junio C Hamano, git

Jeff King wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 04:09:32PM -0600, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> 
> > > Using just a blank line between the code block and the call-out list
> > > (instead of the "+") works for asciidoc (it is happy to keep the two
> > > together) but not asciidoctor (it ends the outer ordered list before
> > > starting the callout list).
> > 
> > I don't know what you mean.
> 
> For reference, I meant this:
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/git-checkout.txt b/Documentation/git-checkout.txt
> index 6bb32ab460..ed32497290 100644
> --- a/Documentation/git-checkout.txt
> +++ b/Documentation/git-checkout.txt
> @@ -529,7 +529,7 @@ $ git checkout master~2 Makefile  <2>
>  $ rm -f hello.c
>  $ git checkout hello.c            <3>
>  ------------
> -+
> +
>  <1> switch branch
>  <2> take a file out of another commit
>  <3> restore `hello.c` from the index
> 
> which asciidoc renders the same, but asciidoctor is not.

I see. I would say the code is ambiguous, so it's not surprising that a parser
interprets it as an end of a list element.

-- 
Felipe Contreras

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* Re: [PATCH 1/2] doc: git-checkout: trivial callout cleanup
  2023-05-02 10:18             ` Jeff King
  2023-05-02 16:05               ` Felipe Contreras
@ 2023-05-03  6:09               ` Junio C Hamano
  2023-05-03 13:46                 ` Felipe Contreras
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Junio C Hamano @ 2023-05-03  6:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jeff King; +Cc: Felipe Contreras, git

Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:

>> > Using just a blank line between the code block and the call-out list
>> > (instead of the "+") works for asciidoc (it is happy to keep the two
>> > together) but not asciidoctor (it ends the outer ordered list before
>> > starting the callout list).
>> ...
>  $ git checkout hello.c            <3>
>  ------------
> -+
> +
>  <1> switch branch
>  <2> take a file out of another commit
>  <3> restore `hello.c` from the index
>
> which asciidoc renders the same, but asciidoctor is not.

Yet another random annoying differences that explains why we wrote
it that way in the first place X-<.  If it has been removed to make
it not to matter, that was lucky of us ;-)

Thanks.




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* Re: [PATCH 1/2] doc: git-checkout: trivial callout cleanup
  2023-05-03  6:09               ` Junio C Hamano
@ 2023-05-03 13:46                 ` Felipe Contreras
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Felipe Contreras @ 2023-05-03 13:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Junio C Hamano, Jeff King; +Cc: Felipe Contreras, git

Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
> 
> >> > Using just a blank line between the code block and the call-out list
> >> > (instead of the "+") works for asciidoc (it is happy to keep the two
> >> > together) but not asciidoctor (it ends the outer ordered list before
> >> > starting the callout list).
> >> ...
> >  $ git checkout hello.cgit checkout hello.c            <3>
> >  ------------
> > -+
> > +
> >  <1> switch branch
> >  <2> take a file out of another commit
> >  <3> restore `hello.c` from the index
> >
> > which asciidoc renders the same, but asciidoctor is not.
> 
> Yet another random annoying differences that explains why we wrote
> it that way in the first place X-<.

I don't think so. This is the sequence of events:

 1. 1e2ccd3abc (Documentation: more examples., 2005-12-12)
 2. 1be0659efc (checkout: merge local modifications while switching branches., 2006-01-12)
 3. 48aeecdcc1 (Fix up remaining man pages that use asciidoc "callouts"., 2006-04-28)

In 1 "callouts" were added inside the listing itself, so they were not actually
callouts, the space was added just for formatting. In 2 other examples were
added, which transformed the original example to a list element, and everything
was peppered with `+`. Finally in 3 the code was transformed to actual AsciiDoc
callouts, which meant that the original space that previously was protected
inside a listing block would not be protected anymore, so it could either be 1)
removed or 2) converted to `+`.

In the thread that added this `+` [1] I see no discussion about the
alternatives.

At no point did anyone consider using a newline inside a list element, because
spaces inside list elements don't work, so the actual two choices were:

A:

  ----
  line 1 <1>
  ----
  <1> callout 1

B:

  ----
  line 1 <1>
  ----
  +
  <1> callout 1

And there never was any actual reason given as to why B was "chosen".

I think the reality is most of the AsciiDoc code doesn't really have any
consideration as to what is the actual AsciiDoc syntax, it's there because it
seems to work, and that's it.

So I think the real reason is that a newline was there before, and newlines
stop list elements.

It couldn't have possibly been because a newline didn't work in asciidoctor,
because asciidoctor would not have been created for another 6 years.

> If it has been removed to make it not to matter, that was lucky of us ;-)

Only if following the actual syntax of a language is considered "luck", in the
same way that it's "lucky" that following the C specification makes C code work
on most C compilers.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/git/BAYC1-PASMTP028F5C1C39F7EF6A6EEB95AEB20@CEZ.ICE/

-- 
Felipe Contreras

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* Re: [PATCH 1/2] doc: git-checkout: trivial callout cleanup
  2023-04-25  6:10         ` Jeff King
  2023-04-27 22:09           ` Felipe Contreras
@ 2023-05-03 17:44           ` Junio C Hamano
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Junio C Hamano @ 2023-05-03 17:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jeff King; +Cc: Felipe Contreras, git

Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:

> The first hunk seems less obviously good to me. We're not part of a
> list, so there's no continuation. We might say that it is good to always
> stick the callout list directly adjacent to the associated code block,
> since it does matter in other cases. But dropping the blank lines
> between the paragraph-sized callout blocks makes the source less
> readable, and empty lines between list elements are a pretty normal
> thing in asciidoc.
>
> That said, I don't feel _too_ strongly about it, so I'm OK with the
> patch as-is.

I agree with the conclusion.  

The first hunk may be iffy (in the sense that "it is not
cut-and-dried better than the original"), but the change makes the
postimage of that hunk look similar to the postimage of the second
hunk, and adopting it as our local rule to alwys stick the callout
list to the associated block gives us more consistent look, that is
good, too.

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