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From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
To: "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org,
	Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>,
	Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	Phillip Wood <phillip.wood123@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7] help: colorize man pages if man.color=true under less(1)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 13:41:37 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <60d0dd619a2c6_10782120814@natae.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqfsxbika3.fsf@gitster.g>

Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason  <avarab@gmail.com> writes:

> > Fair enough, here's a version I think you and others will find
> > acceptable then. It allows users like me who like this to explicitly
> > opt-in via color.man=true.
> 
> Not really.
> 
> Since the implementation of the posted patch, as I understand it,
> does not aim to affect both "git help -m foo" and "man git-foo"
> identically,

It cannot aim to do what is not possible.

> I think it would be easier to understand to end-users
> if this were exposed as a new "mode", like "git help --web" and "git
> help --info" are different modes from the "git help --man",
> something like "git help --fancy-man" (or whatever is easy to type
> and explain, and also add it to the variants help.format knows about
> to make it easy to set the default).

But it is not a new mode.

I presume you mean format, since man, info, and web are formats,
controlled by help.format.

But no, it's not a format either, because we still want to see the same
format (man).

Perhaps you meant a man viewer (controlled with man.viewer), but there's
no command line option to launch help with for example emacs woman.

But still, it's not a new viewer; it's an improvement of an already
existing viewer.

> One advantage of doing so is that we do not have to worry about "ah,
> user has LESS_BLAH environment variable so we should disable this
> new mode here" etc.

We don't have to worry about that with the current patch.

> As long as the new mode is requested either via
> the command line option or help.format configuration, it can
> completely take it over.

That is already the case.

> That simplifies the necessary explanation given to the users quite a
> lot, no?

No, it would still be:

 1. man.viewer=fancyman must be set in the config
 2. The user must use less
 3. Not have the same LESS_TERMCAP variables set (we call setenv(3) with overwrite=0)
 4. Have color.ui enabled
 5. Not have color.pager disabled
 6. Not have git with stdout directed to a file

Moreover, this explanation is for developers.

Realistically all the user needs to know is that color.man=true turns
this on (man.viewer=fancyman is not better in any way).

-- 
Felipe Contreras

  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-21 18:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-23  5:44 [PATCH v6] help: colorize man pages Felipe Contreras
2021-05-24 13:13 ` Phillip Wood
2021-05-24 16:56   ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-08 12:35 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-08 13:57   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-08 17:48     ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-21  8:34     ` [PATCH v7] help: colorize man pages if man.color=true under less(1) Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-21 10:17       ` Phillip Wood
2021-06-21 10:28       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-21 18:41         ` Felipe Contreras [this message]
2021-06-21 19:08         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-06-23 23:58           ` Jeff King
2021-06-24  1:03             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-28 17:37             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-28 18:05               ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-21 15:59       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-24  0:08       ` Jeff King
2021-06-29  1:42         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-29  1:48           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-06-24  1:44 ` [PATCH v6] help: colorize man pages Felipe Contreras
2021-06-26  2:50 ` [PATCH v8] help: add option to colorize man pages under less Felipe Contreras
2021-06-26 14:49   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason

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