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From: Johannes Sixt <j6t@kdbg.org>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/7] push: document --lockref
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 08:52:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51E0F93A.8050201@kdbg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7vy59biih4.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org>

Am 12.07.2013 23:19, schrieb Junio C Hamano:
> Johannes Sixt <j6t@kdbg.org> writes:
> 
>> We have three independent options that the user can choose in any
>> combination:
>>
>>  o --force given or not;
>>
>>  o --lockref semantics enabled or not;
>>
>>  o refspec with or without +;
>>
>> and these two orthogonal preconditions of the push
>>
>>  o push is fast-forward or it is not ("ff", "noff");
>>
>>  o the branch at the remote is at the expected rev or it is not
>>    ("match", "mismatch").
>>
>> Here is a table with the expected outcome. "ok" means that the push is
>> allowed(*), "fail" means that the push is denied. (Four more lines with
>> --force are omitted because they have "ok" in all spots.)
>>
>>                        ff   noff     ff      noff
>>                       match match mismatch mismatch
>>
>> --lockref +refspec     ok    ok    denied   denied
>> --lockref  refspec     ok  denied  denied   denied
> 
> I am confused with these.  The latter is the most typical:
> 
> 	git fetch
>         git checkout topic
>         git rebase topic
> 	git push --lockref topic
> 
> where we know it is "noff" already, and we just want to make sure
> that nobody mucked with our remote while we are rebasing.

Today (without --lockref), the above sequence would fail to push.
(Because there is no + and no --force.)

> If nobody updated the remote, why should this push be denied?  And in
> order to make it succeed, you need to force with +refspec or --force,
> but that would bypass match/mismatch safety, which makes the whole
> "make sure the other end is unchanged" safety meaningless, no?

I am suggesting that +refspec would *not* override the match/mismatch
safety, but --force would.

> 
>>           +refspec     ok    ok      ok       ok
> 
> This is traditional --force.
> 
>>            refspec     ok  denied    ok     denied
> 
> We are not asking for --lockref, so match/mismatch does not affect
> the outcome.

I think you are worried that a deviation from the principle that
+refspec == --force hurts current users. But I am arguing that this is
not the case because "current" users do not use --lockref. As you have
seen from the table, without --lockref there is *no change* in behavior.

I still have not seen an example where +refspec != --force would have
unexpected consequences. (The inequality is merely that +refspec fails
on mismatch when --lockref was also given while --force does not.)

>> Notice that without --lockref semantics enabled, +refspec and refspec
>> keep the current behavior.
> 
> But I do not think the above table with --lockref makes much sense.
> 
> Let's look at noff/match case.  That is the only interesting one.
> 
> This should fail:
> 
> 	git push topic
> 
> due to no-ff.

Yes.

> Your table above makes this fail:
> 
>         git push --lockref topic
> 
> and the user has to force it,

Of course.

> like this?
> 
> 	git push --lockref --force topic ;# or alternatively
>         git push --lockref +topic
> 
> Why is it even necessary?

Because it is no-ff. How do you achieve the push today (without
--lockref)? You use one of these two options. It does not change with
--lockref.

> If you make
> 
> 	git push --lockref topic
> 
> succeed in noff/match case, everything makes more sense to me.

Not to me, obviously ;)

> The --lockref option is merely a weaker form of --force but still a
> way to override the noff check.

No; --lockref only adds the check that the destination is at the
expected revision, but does *NOT* override the no-ff check. Why should
it? (This is not a rethoric question.)

(I think I said differently in an earlier messages, but back then things
were still blurry. The table in my previous message is what I mean.)

>  If the user wants to keep noff
> check, the user can simply choose not to use the option.

No. If the user wants to keep the no-ff check, she does not use the + in
the refspec and does not use --force. (Just like today.)

> Of course, that form should fail if "mismatch".  And then you can
> force it,
> 
> 	git push --force [--lockref] topic
> 
> As "--force" is "anything goes", it does not matter if you give the
> other option on the command line.

... or the + in the refsepc.

-- Hannes

  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-13  6:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-02 20:57 [RFD] Making "git push [--force/--delete]" safer? Junio C Hamano
2013-07-02 22:55 ` Johan Herland
2013-07-03  6:34   ` Johan Herland
2013-07-03  8:49     ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-03 10:00       ` Johan Herland
2013-07-03 10:06         ` Jonathan del Strother
2013-07-03 10:11           ` Johan Herland
2013-07-03 10:50             ` Michael Haggerty
2013-07-03 12:06               ` Johannes Sixt
2013-07-03 19:53                 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-04  5:37                   ` Johannes Sixt
2013-07-04  5:46                     ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-03 19:50           ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-03 20:18             ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-03 19:48         ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-09 19:53 ` [PATCH 0/7] safer "push --force" with compare-and-swap Junio C Hamano
2013-07-09 19:53   ` [PATCH 1/7] cache.h: move remote/connect API out of it Junio C Hamano
2013-07-09 19:53   ` [PATCH 2/7] builtin/push.c: use OPT_BOOL, not OPT_BOOLEAN Junio C Hamano
2013-07-09 19:53   ` [PATCH 3/7] push: beginning of compare-and-swap "force/delete safety" Junio C Hamano
2013-07-09 19:53   ` [PATCH 4/7] remote.c: add command line option parser for --lockref Junio C Hamano
2013-07-16 22:13     ` John Keeping
2013-07-17 17:06       ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-17 17:09       ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-09 19:53   ` [PATCH 5/7] push --lockref: implement logic to populate old_sha1_expect[] Junio C Hamano
2013-07-09 19:53   ` [PATCH 6/7] t5533: test "push --lockref" Junio C Hamano
2013-07-09 19:53   ` [PATCH 7/7] push: document --lockref Junio C Hamano
2013-07-09 20:17     ` Aaron Schrab
2013-07-09 20:39       ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-09 20:24     ` Johannes Sixt
2013-07-09 20:37       ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-09 20:55         ` Johannes Sixt
2013-07-09 22:09           ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-09 23:08             ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-11 21:10               ` Johannes Sixt
2013-07-11 21:57                 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-11 22:14                 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-12 17:21                   ` Johannes Sixt
2013-07-12 17:40                     ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-12 20:00                       ` Johannes Sixt
2013-07-12 21:19                         ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-13  6:52                           ` Johannes Sixt [this message]
2013-07-13 18:14                             ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-13 20:08                               ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-13 21:11                                 ` Johannes Sixt
2013-07-14 14:28                                 ` John Keeping
2013-07-13 20:17                               ` Johannes Sixt
2013-07-14 19:17                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-14 20:21                                   ` Johannes Sixt
2013-07-14 20:34                                     ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-07-14 20:49                                       ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-07-14 20:59                                       ` Johannes Sixt
2013-07-14 21:28                                         ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-07-15  4:10                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-15  4:44                                             ` Jonathan Nieder
2013-07-15 15:37                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-15 20:30                                         ` Johannes Sixt
2013-07-15  3:50                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2013-07-15 15:47                                       ` Default expectation of --lockref Junio C Hamano
2013-07-15 20:27                                       ` [PATCH 7/7] push: document --lockref Johannes Sixt
2013-07-09 21:37         ` Marc Branchaud
2013-07-09 20:27     ` Michael Haggerty
2013-07-09 20:42       ` Junio C Hamano

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