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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Duy Nguyen <pclouds@gmail.com>
Cc: Stefan Beller <sbeller@google.com>,
	Jeff Hostetler <git@jeffhostetler.com>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Ben Peart <Ben.Peart@microsoft.com>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ben Peart <peartben@gmail.com>, Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/5] unpack-trees: add performance tracing
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 15:54:56 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180814195456.GE28452@sigill.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACsJy8CTNeR8Bchj37yNL+mWp1Y5rhD6QV2Gf06CPLHVXd8TDQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 08:51:41PM +0200, Duy Nguyen wrote:

> > But AFAICT these series are all about putting the sampling points into the
> > code base, so formatting would be orthogonal to it?
> 
> It's not just sampling points. There's things like index id being
> shown in the message for example. I prefer to keep free style format
> to help me read. There's also things like indentation I do here to
> help me read. Granted you could do all that with scripts and stuff,
> but will we pass around in mail  dumps of json messages to be decoded
> locally?

I think you could have both forms using the same entry points sprinkled
through the code.

At GitHub we have a similar telemetry-ish thing, where we collect some
data points and then the resulting JSON is stored for every operation
(for a few weeks for read ops, and indefinitely attached to every ref
write).

And I've found that the storage and the trace-style "just show a
human-readable message to stderr" interface complement each other in
both directions:

 - you can output a human readable message that is sent immediately to
   the trace mechanism but _also_ becomes part of the telemetry. E.g.,
   imagine that one item in the json blob is "this is the last message
   from GIT_TRACE_FOO". Now you can push tracing messages into whatever
   plan you're using to store SLOG. We do this less with TRACE, and much
   more with error() and die() messages.

 - when a structured telemetry item is updated, we can still output a
   human-readable trace message with just that item. E.g., with:

     trace_performance(n, "foo");

   we could either store a json key (perf.foo=n) or output a nicely
   formatted string like we do now, depending on what the user has
   configured (or even both, of course).

It helps if the sampling points give enough information to cover both
cases (as in the trace_performance example), but you can generally
shoe-horn unstructured data into the structured log, and pretty-print
structured data.

-Peff

  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-14 19:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-18 20:45 [PATCH v1 0/3] [RFC] Speeding up checkout (and merge, rebase, etc) Ben Peart
2018-07-18 20:45 ` [PATCH v1 1/3] add unbounded Multi-Producer-Multi-Consumer queue Ben Peart
2018-07-18 20:57   ` Stefan Beller
2018-07-19 19:11   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-07-18 20:45 ` [PATCH v1 2/3] add performance tracing around traverse_trees() in unpack_trees() Ben Peart
2018-07-18 20:45 ` [PATCH v1 3/3] Add initial parallel version of unpack_trees() Ben Peart
2018-07-18 22:56   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-07-18 21:02 ` [PATCH v1 0/3] [RFC] Speeding up checkout (and merge, rebase, etc) Stefan Beller
2018-07-18 21:34 ` Jeff King
2018-07-23 15:48   ` Ben Peart
2018-07-23 17:03     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-07-23 20:51       ` Ben Peart
2018-07-24  4:20         ` Jeff King
2018-07-24 15:33           ` Duy Nguyen
2018-07-25 20:56             ` Ben Peart
2018-07-26  5:30               ` Duy Nguyen
2018-07-26 16:30                 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-07-26 19:40                   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-07-27 15:42                     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-07-27 16:22                       ` Ben Peart
2018-07-27 18:00                         ` Duy Nguyen
2018-07-27 17:14                       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-07-27 17:52                         ` Duy Nguyen
2018-07-29  6:24                           ` Duy Nguyen
2018-07-29 10:33                       ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Speed up unpack_trees() Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-07-29 10:33                         ` [PATCH v2 1/4] unpack-trees.c: add performance tracing Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-07-30 20:16                           ` Ben Peart
2018-07-29 10:33                         ` [PATCH v2 2/4] unpack-trees: optimize walking same trees with cache-tree Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-07-30 20:52                           ` Ben Peart
2018-07-29 10:33                         ` [PATCH v2 3/4] unpack-trees: reduce malloc in cache-tree walk Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-07-30 20:58                           ` Ben Peart
2018-07-29 10:33                         ` [PATCH v2 4/4] unpack-trees: cheaper index update when walking by cache-tree Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-08 18:46                           ` Elijah Newren
2018-08-10 16:39                             ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-10 18:39                               ` Elijah Newren
2018-08-10 19:30                                 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-10 19:40                                   ` Elijah Newren
2018-08-10 19:48                                     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-07-30 18:10                         ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Speed up unpack_trees() Ben Peart
2018-07-31 15:31                           ` Duy Nguyen
2018-07-31 16:50                             ` Ben Peart
2018-07-31 17:31                               ` Ben Peart
2018-08-01 16:38                                 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-08 20:53                                   ` Ben Peart
2018-08-09  8:16                                     ` Ben Peart
2018-08-10 16:08                                       ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-10 15:51                                     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-07-30 21:04                         ` Ben Peart
2018-08-04  5:37                         ` [PATCH v3 " Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-04  5:37                           ` [PATCH v3 1/4] unpack-trees: add performance tracing Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-04  5:37                           ` [PATCH v3 2/4] unpack-trees: optimize walking same trees with cache-tree Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-08 18:23                             ` Elijah Newren
2018-08-10 16:29                               ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-10 18:48                                 ` Elijah Newren
2018-08-04  5:37                           ` [PATCH v3 3/4] unpack-trees: reduce malloc in cache-tree walk Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-08 18:30                             ` Elijah Newren
2018-08-04  5:37                           ` [PATCH v3 4/4] unpack-trees: cheaper index update when walking by cache-tree Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-06 15:48                           ` [PATCH v3 0/4] Speed up unpack_trees() Junio C Hamano
2018-08-06 15:59                             ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-06 18:59                               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-08 17:00                                 ` Ben Peart
2018-08-08 17:46                               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-08 18:12                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-08 18:39                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-10 16:53                                     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-12  8:15                           ` [PATCH v4 0/5] " Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-12  8:15                             ` [PATCH v4 1/5] trace.h: support nested performance tracing Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-13 18:39                               ` Ben Peart
2018-08-12  8:15                             ` [PATCH v4 2/5] unpack-trees: add " Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-12 10:05                               ` Thomas Adam
2018-08-13 18:50                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-13 18:44                               ` Ben Peart
2018-08-13 19:25                               ` Jeff King
2018-08-13 19:36                                 ` Stefan Beller
2018-08-13 20:11                                   ` Ben Peart
2018-08-13 19:52                                 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-13 21:47                                   ` Jeff King
2018-08-13 22:41                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-14 18:19                                   ` Jeff Hostetler
2018-08-14 18:32                                     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-14 18:44                                       ` Stefan Beller
2018-08-14 18:51                                         ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-14 19:54                                           ` Jeff King [this message]
2018-08-14 20:52                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-15 16:32                                             ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-15 18:28                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-08-14 20:14                                         ` Jeff Hostetler
2018-08-12  8:15                             ` [PATCH v4 3/5] unpack-trees: optimize walking same trees with cache-tree Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-13 18:58                               ` Ben Peart
2018-08-15 16:38                                 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-12  8:15                             ` [PATCH v4 4/5] unpack-trees: reduce malloc in cache-tree walk Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-12  8:15                             ` [PATCH v4 5/5] unpack-trees: reuse (still valid) cache-tree from src_index Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-13 15:48                               ` Elijah Newren
2018-08-13 15:57                                 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-13 16:05                                 ` Ben Peart
2018-08-13 16:25                                   ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-13 17:15                                     ` Ben Peart
2018-08-13 19:01                             ` [PATCH v4 0/5] Speed up unpack_trees() Junio C Hamano
2018-08-14 19:19                             ` Ben Peart
2018-08-18 14:41                             ` [PATCH v5 0/7] " Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-18 14:41                               ` [PATCH v5 1/7] trace.h: support nested performance tracing Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-18 14:41                               ` [PATCH v5 2/7] unpack-trees: add " Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-18 14:41                               ` [PATCH v5 3/7] unpack-trees: optimize walking same trees with cache-tree Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-20 12:43                                 ` Ben Peart
2018-08-18 14:41                               ` [PATCH v5 4/7] unpack-trees: reduce malloc in cache-tree walk Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-18 14:41                               ` [PATCH v5 5/7] unpack-trees: reuse (still valid) cache-tree from src_index Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-18 14:41                               ` [PATCH v5 6/7] unpack-trees: add missing cache invalidation Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-18 14:41                               ` [PATCH v5 7/7] cache-tree: verify valid cache-tree in the test suite Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-18 21:45                                 ` Elijah Newren
2018-08-18 22:01                               ` [PATCH v5 0/7] Speed up unpack_trees() Elijah Newren
2018-08-19  5:09                                 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-08-25 12:18                               ` [PATCH] Document update for nd/unpack-trees-with-cache-tree Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-08-25 12:31                                 ` Martin Ågren
2018-08-25 13:02                                 ` [PATCH v2] " Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-07-27 15:50                     ` [PATCH v1 0/3] [RFC] Speeding up checkout (and merge, rebase, etc) Ben Peart
2018-07-26 16:35               ` Duy Nguyen
2018-07-24  5:54         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-07-24 15:13         ` Duy Nguyen
2018-07-24 21:21           ` Jeff King
2018-07-25 16:09           ` Ben Peart
2018-07-24  4:27       ` Jeff King

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