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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Shawn Pearce <spearce@spearce.org>
Cc: Jonathan Tan <jonathantanmy@google.com>, git <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] connect: know that zero-ID is not a ref
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 22:17:35 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160903021735.6powysozcgiuf6rg@sigill.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJo=hJtg1h1Zvu-TjMtDYVjPB2n0pihA18q3sHBPQ_ZA4dWRKg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 07:03:30PM -0700, Shawn Pearce wrote:

> > Is it useful for upload-pack? If we have no refs, there's traditionally
> > been nothing to fetch. Perhaps that's something that could change,
> > though. For example, there could be a capability to allow fetching
> > arbitrary sha1s (we have allowTIPSH1InWant and allowReachableSHA1InWant,
> > which obviously both require some refs, but allowArbitrarySHA1 does not
> > seem outside the realm of possibility).
> 
> Its exactly these sort of extra capabilities. We run JGit in modes
> where "out of band" (e.g. URL or higher level protocol framing like an
> undocumented HTTP header) allows the fetch-pack client to say "do not
> send me advertisements, but I want to learn your capabilities". The
> fetch-pack client typically activates the allow-reachable-sha1-in-want
> feature and names specific SHA-1s it wants.

So it sounds like you _could_ enable this only in out-of-band mode,
without loss of functionality.

I don't particularly care either way (I do not run any JGit servers
myself), but if we do it in Git, I think that is the path we should go
for maximum compatibility (and then if we jump to protocol v2, we get to
shed all of the compatibility cruft).

> This allows the fetch-pack client to bypass a very large advertisement
> if it wants only a specific SHA-1 and doesn't care about the ref name
> its bound to, or reachable through.

Yep, definitely a useful thing.

> This is also perhaps a stepping stone towards "client speaks first".
> If we can later standardize an HTTP query parameter or extra HTTP
> header, the server may be able to avoid sending a lot of ref
> advertisements, but would still need to advertise capabilities.

Yes, but that is a big enough jump that we can design it to look like
whatever we want, not shoe-horning it into a pretend ref. Older clients
will be left behind either way, we will need a transition plan, etc.

-Peff

  reply	other threads:[~2016-09-03  2:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-02 17:15 [PATCH 0/2] handle empty spec-compliant remote repos correctly Jonathan Tan
2016-09-02 17:15 ` [PATCH 1/2] tests: move test_lazy_prereq JGIT to test-lib.sh Jonathan Tan
2016-09-02 17:15 ` [PATCH 2/2] connect: know that zero-ID is not a ref Jonathan Tan
2016-09-02 19:37   ` Jonathan Nieder
2016-09-02 19:39   ` Shawn Pearce
2016-09-02 19:56     ` Stefan Beller
2016-09-02 20:00       ` Shawn Pearce
2016-09-02 20:13   ` Jeff King
2016-09-02 22:11     ` Jonathan Tan
2016-09-02 23:19       ` Jeff King
2016-09-03  2:03     ` Shawn Pearce
2016-09-03  2:17       ` Jeff King [this message]
2016-09-02 22:06 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] handle empty spec-compliant remote repos correctly Jonathan Tan
2016-09-02 22:06 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] tests: move test_lazy_prereq JGIT to test-lib.sh Jonathan Tan
2016-09-07 16:47   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-02 22:06 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] connect: advertized capability is not a ref Jonathan Tan
2016-09-02 22:40   ` Jonathan Nieder
2016-09-02 23:35   ` Jeff King
2016-09-02 23:48     ` Stefan Beller
2016-09-03  0:37       ` Jonathan Nieder
2016-09-02 23:51     ` Jonathan Nieder
2016-09-03  0:56       ` Jeff King
2016-09-07 17:02   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-07 17:10   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-07 20:38     ` Jonathan Nieder
2016-09-07 23:02       ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-07 23:50 ` [PATCH v3 0/2] handle empty spec-compliant remote repos correctly Jonathan Tan
2016-09-07 23:50 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] tests: move test_lazy_prereq JGIT to test-lib.sh Jonathan Tan
2016-09-07 23:50 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] connect: advertized capability is not a ref Jonathan Tan
2016-09-08  1:34   ` Jonathan Nieder
2016-09-08  1:45     ` [PATCH] connect: tighten check for unexpected early hang up (Re: [PATCH v3 2/2] connect: advertized capability is not a ref) Jonathan Nieder
2016-09-08  1:46       ` Jonathan Nieder
2016-09-08  1:50       ` Jonathan Nieder
2016-09-08 16:42         ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-08 16:28       ` Stefan Beller
2016-09-08 16:18     ` [PATCH v3 2/2] connect: advertized capability is not a ref Junio C Hamano
2016-09-09 17:36 ` [PATCH v4 0/3] handle empty spec-compliant remote repos correctly Jonathan Tan
2016-09-09 17:36 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] tests: move test_lazy_prereq JGIT to test-lib.sh Jonathan Tan
2016-09-10  5:51   ` Torsten Bögershausen
2016-09-10  6:00     ` Jeff King
2016-09-09 17:36 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] connect: tighten check for unexpected early hang up Jonathan Tan
2016-09-09 17:36 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] connect: advertized capability is not a ref Jonathan Tan
2016-09-09 19:40   ` Jonathan Nieder
2016-09-09 20:40     ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-09 20:09   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-09-09 20:17 ` [PATCH v5 0/3] handle empty spec-compliant remote repos correctly Jonathan Tan
2016-09-09 21:07   ` Jonathan Nieder
2016-09-09 20:17 ` [PATCH v5 1/3] tests: move test_lazy_prereq JGIT to test-lib.sh Jonathan Tan
2016-09-09 20:17 ` [PATCH v5 2/3] connect: tighten check for unexpected early hang up Jonathan Tan
2016-09-09 20:17 ` [PATCH v5 3/3] connect: advertized capability is not a ref Jonathan Tan

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