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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	David Turner <dturner@twopensource.com>,
	Stefan Beller <sbeller@google.com>,
	"git@vger.kernel.org" <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Migrating away from SHA-1?
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 22:13:27 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160415021327.GC22112@sigill.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160414224051.GD16656@thunk.org>

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 06:40:51PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:

> Also, remember that while we can write programs that look for
> suspicious git objects that have stuff hidden after the null
> terminator (in fact, maybe that would be a good thing to add to git,
> hmmm?)[...]

Detecting the hidden bytes is underway elsewhere on the list. And while
I think it's a good idea to do so, I don't think it really introduces
a meaningful defense against collision attacks.

You can also hide bytes in arbitrary headers in a git object[1], and
they will not be shown by default. Adding the extra bytes at the end is
certainly easier if you're micro-optimizing the collision process[2],
but I don't think it changes the fundamental equation. It reduces the
work you do per-sha1 by a constant factor, but not the number of sha1s
you expect to compute.

-Peff

[1] Obviously neither "extra headers" nor "stuff after NUL" applies to
    patches sent by email, where everything short of binary-diffs is
    human-readable. So for the kernel, you're really talking about
    attacking a lieutenant whose repo gets pulled. But there are plenty
    of other projects that "git merge" from strangers.

[2] Somewhere in the list archive is my patch to find partial
    collisions like "git commit --sha1=31337", and I did in fact use
    that micro-optimization. That, along with multi-threading, made it
    feasible to do 6-8 character prefixes, as I recall.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-15  2:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-12 22:38 Migrating away from SHA-1? H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-12 23:00 ` Stefan Beller
2016-04-12 23:06   ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-12 23:15   ` Jeff King
2016-04-12 23:15   ` David Turner
2016-04-12 23:44     ` Jeff King
2016-04-14  1:53     ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-04-14 16:47       ` Joey Hess
2016-04-14 17:23       ` David Turner
2016-04-14 17:28         ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-14 22:40           ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-04-15  2:13             ` Jeff King [this message]
2016-04-15  2:18               ` Junio C Hamano
2016-04-15  2:22                 ` Jeff King
2016-04-12 23:42 ` Jeff King
2016-04-13  1:03   ` Junio C Hamano
2016-04-13  1:36     ` Jeff King
2016-04-13  1:38     ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-13  1:51 ` Duy Nguyen
2016-04-13  1:58   ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-15  1:50     ` brian m. carlson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-06-18  2:10 Leo Gaspard
2016-06-18  3:30 ` Eric Wong
2016-06-24 18:17 ` brian m. carlson

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