* [PATCH 1/2] Ask students to include a link to their microproject in their application
@ 2015-03-04 7:19 Matthieu Moy
2015-03-04 7:19 ` [PATCH 2/2] Disclaimer about the number of slots Matthieu Moy
2015-03-04 7:48 ` [PATCH 1/2] Ask students to include a link to their microproject in their application Jeff King
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From: Matthieu Moy @ 2015-03-04 7:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: git; +Cc: Jeff King, Matthieu Moy
It makes it easier for us when reviewing/selecting candidates.
Signed-off-by: Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr>
---
(Sending this to the list for comments, but now I can even do the push
myself :-) )
SoC-2015-Ideas.md | 4 ++++
1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)
diff --git a/SoC-2015-Ideas.md b/SoC-2015-Ideas.md
index 86de476..d2b7d75 100644
--- a/SoC-2015-Ideas.md
+++ b/SoC-2015-Ideas.md
@@ -16,6 +16,10 @@ way for us to get experience with applicants, but it will also help
applicants become familiar with Git's development and submission
process.
+Please, include link(s) to the mailing-list discussion(s) related to
+your microproject in your application (e.g. linking to
+[gmane](http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git)).
+
## Summer of code main project ideas
**Students**: Please consider these ideas as starting points for
--
2.3.0.157.g79e124b
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* [PATCH 2/2] Disclaimer about the number of slots.
2015-03-04 7:19 [PATCH 1/2] Ask students to include a link to their microproject in their application Matthieu Moy
@ 2015-03-04 7:19 ` Matthieu Moy
2015-03-04 7:51 ` Jeff King
2015-03-04 7:48 ` [PATCH 1/2] Ask students to include a link to their microproject in their application Jeff King
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From: Matthieu Moy @ 2015-03-04 7:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: git; +Cc: Jeff King, Matthieu Moy
This is debatable, but this may discourrage students who picked Git more
or less at random. If I read
https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/ProgramStatistics
correctly, the average number of slots per organization is closer to 10
than 2, hence students have better chance to get accepted in other
organizations.
OTOH, 2 slots is not so much worse than the 3 we had last year. And now
that Dscho is volunteer to mentor a GSoC too, we may actually end up
accepting 3 students.
Signed-off-by: Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr>
---
So, sending this in case other people think it's a good idea, but I
won't fight for it in case you don't think it is.
SoC-2015-Ideas.md | 5 +++++
1 file changed, 5 insertions(+)
diff --git a/SoC-2015-Ideas.md b/SoC-2015-Ideas.md
index d2b7d75..23c8313 100644
--- a/SoC-2015-Ideas.md
+++ b/SoC-2015-Ideas.md
@@ -20,6 +20,11 @@ Please, include link(s) to the mailing-list discussion(s) related to
your microproject in your application (e.g. linking to
[gmane](http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git)).
+## Note about the number of slots
+
+In 2015, the Git organization has very limited mentoring capacity.
+We will probably be able to accept 2 students only this year.
+
## Summer of code main project ideas
**Students**: Please consider these ideas as starting points for
--
2.3.0.157.g79e124b
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* Re: [PATCH 1/2] Ask students to include a link to their microproject in their application
2015-03-04 7:19 [PATCH 1/2] Ask students to include a link to their microproject in their application Matthieu Moy
2015-03-04 7:19 ` [PATCH 2/2] Disclaimer about the number of slots Matthieu Moy
@ 2015-03-04 7:48 ` Jeff King
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From: Jeff King @ 2015-03-04 7:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Matthieu Moy; +Cc: git
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 08:19:30AM +0100, Matthieu Moy wrote:
> --- a/SoC-2015-Ideas.md
> +++ b/SoC-2015-Ideas.md
> @@ -16,6 +16,10 @@ way for us to get experience with applicants, but it will also help
> applicants become familiar with Git's development and submission
> process.
>
> +Please, include link(s) to the mailing-list discussion(s) related to
> +your microproject in your application (e.g. linking to
> +[gmane](http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git)).
Yeah, this is a good idea.
In fact, we can provide an application template to students via the
Melange system. I don't recall doing so in the past few years, but we
did use this feature at one point:
https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/SoC2007Template
However, I don't recall it leading to especially better-quality
applications (in fact, it may have made things worse because many
students filled it out in a very perfunctory way and then assumed that
was enough).
-Peff
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* Re: [PATCH 2/2] Disclaimer about the number of slots.
2015-03-04 7:19 ` [PATCH 2/2] Disclaimer about the number of slots Matthieu Moy
@ 2015-03-04 7:51 ` Jeff King
2015-03-04 7:56 ` Matthieu Moy
2015-03-06 11:47 ` Matthieu Moy
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From: Jeff King @ 2015-03-04 7:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Matthieu Moy; +Cc: git
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 08:19:31AM +0100, Matthieu Moy wrote:
> So, sending this in case other people think it's a good idea, but I
> won't fight for it in case you don't think it is.
> [...]
> --- a/SoC-2015-Ideas.md
> +++ b/SoC-2015-Ideas.md
> @@ -20,6 +20,11 @@ Please, include link(s) to the mailing-list discussion(s) related to
> your microproject in your application (e.g. linking to
> [gmane](http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git)).
>
> +## Note about the number of slots
> +
> +In 2015, the Git organization has very limited mentoring capacity.
> +We will probably be able to accept 2 students only this year.
I'm on the fence. I don't mind giving a warning, but I'm not sure that
this isn't just as likely to scare off students we want. :) Maybe
something along the lines of "If you are really excited about working on
git, we would love to see your application; if you are just looking for
a random project, there may be a lot of competition for a small number
of slots". Except I am not quite sure how to phrase "just looking for a
random project" that does not sound quite so demeaning.
-Peff
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* Re: [PATCH 2/2] Disclaimer about the number of slots.
2015-03-04 7:51 ` Jeff King
@ 2015-03-04 7:56 ` Matthieu Moy
2015-03-04 19:55 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-03-06 11:47 ` Matthieu Moy
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From: Matthieu Moy @ 2015-03-04 7:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jeff King; +Cc: git
Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
> Maybe something along the lines of "If you are really excited about
> working on git, we would love to see your application; if you are just
> looking for a random project, there may be a lot of competition for a
> small number of slots". Except I am not quite sure how to phrase "just
> looking for a random project" that does not sound quite so demeaning.
Yes, that's the idea, but I didn't find a way to say "if you're one of
the great students we're looking for, please come in, otherwise go
away", so I went for a neutral wording that would let the reader infer
it by themselves ;-).
--
Matthieu Moy
http://www-verimag.imag.fr/~moy/
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* Re: [PATCH 2/2] Disclaimer about the number of slots.
2015-03-04 7:56 ` Matthieu Moy
@ 2015-03-04 19:55 ` Junio C Hamano
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From: Junio C Hamano @ 2015-03-04 19:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Matthieu Moy; +Cc: Jeff King, git
Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr> writes:
> Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
>
>> Maybe something along the lines of "If you are really excited about
>> working on git, we would love to see your application; if you are just
>> looking for a random project, there may be a lot of competition for a
>> small number of slots". Except I am not quite sure how to phrase "just
>> looking for a random project" that does not sound quite so demeaning.
>
> Yes, that's the idea, but I didn't find a way to say "if you're one of
> the great students we're looking for, please come in, otherwise go
> away", so I went for a neutral wording that would let the reader infer
> it by themselves ;-).
What is this? Matt and Jeff's comedy hour?
You two made me laugh hard ;-)
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* Re: [PATCH 2/2] Disclaimer about the number of slots.
2015-03-04 7:51 ` Jeff King
2015-03-04 7:56 ` Matthieu Moy
@ 2015-03-06 11:47 ` Matthieu Moy
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From: Matthieu Moy @ 2015-03-06 11:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jeff King; +Cc: git
Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:
> On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 08:19:31AM +0100, Matthieu Moy wrote:
>
>> So, sending this in case other people think it's a good idea, but I
>> won't fight for it in case you don't think it is.
>> [...]
>> --- a/SoC-2015-Ideas.md
>> +++ b/SoC-2015-Ideas.md
>> @@ -20,6 +20,11 @@ Please, include link(s) to the mailing-list discussion(s) related to
>> your microproject in your application (e.g. linking to
>> [gmane](http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git)).
>>
>> +## Note about the number of slots
>> +
>> +In 2015, the Git organization has very limited mentoring capacity.
>> +We will probably be able to accept 2 students only this year.
>
> I'm on the fence.
OK, there's no clear consensus but no real objection either. I went
ahead and pushed my patches.
We can still reword or cancel my patch.
--
Matthieu Moy
http://www-verimag.imag.fr/~moy/
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