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From: Linus Arver <linusa@google.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Phillip Wood <phillip.wood123@gmail.com>
Cc: Calvin Wan <calvinwan@google.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org,  Jonathan Tan <jonathantanmy@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 2/3] git-std-lib: introduce Git Standard Library
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 10:27:02 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <owly34tb5dop.fsf@fine.c.googlers.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqq1q8vi3pz.fsf@gitster.g>

Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> writes:

> Phillip Wood <phillip.wood123@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 22/02/2024 17:50, Calvin Wan wrote:
>
>>> +libgit.a, which is then linked against by common-main.o with other
>>> +external dependencies and turned into the Git executable.
>>
>> I found this description a bit confusing. As I understand it to build
>> git we link git.o against common-main.o, libgit.a, xdiff/lib.a,
>> reftable/libreftable.a and libpcre etc.
>
> In addition, there is no single "the Git executable", simply because
> not everything is builtin command.  The purpose of using libgit.a is
> because we are too lazy to list and maintain all the internal
> dependencies to link final executables like 'git' (which has all the
> built-in command implementations) and 'git-remote-curl' (which is a
> standalone program).  Instead of feeding exact list of object files
> to "$(CC) -o git" command line, we throw everything into libgit.a
> and let the linker pick what is needed.  To link "git", we may
> include all builtin/*.o, git.o, common-main.o, libgit.a and the
> external [*] library dependencies they have.  To link "git-daemon",
> we may not link builtin/*.o and git.o and link daemon.o instead.
>
> 	Side note: here I am counting xdiff/lib.a as an external
> 	library as it is mostly a borrowed code.
>
> In other words, libgit.a is not a true library in the sense that it
> was designed to be _used_ as a library.  It was merely a detail of
> how we implemented lazy dependency management in our build process,
> which happend with 0a02ce72 (Clean up the Makefile a bit.,
> 2005-04-18) whose commit log message uses air-quotes around the word
> "library".

Somehow I did not realize that this was going on. Thank you for pointing
this out!

It does make me wonder if we should stop being lazy and do the work that
the linker has been doing for us "for free" ourselves. IOW, stop linking
against a monolithic libgit.a. That way we would replace implicit
dependencies with explicit ones, which might help us understand which
things need what.

But maybe doing that is super painful, so, maybe it's not worth it. IDK.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-29 18:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-27 19:52 [RFC PATCH 0/8] Introduce Git Standard Library Calvin Wan
2023-06-27 19:52 ` [RFC PATCH 1/8] trace2: log fsync stats in trace2 rather than wrapper Calvin Wan
2023-06-28  2:05   ` Victoria Dye
2023-07-05 17:57     ` Calvin Wan
2023-07-05 18:22       ` Victoria Dye
2023-07-11 20:07   ` Jeff Hostetler
2023-06-27 19:52 ` [RFC PATCH 2/8] hex-ll: split out functionality from hex Calvin Wan
2023-06-28 13:15   ` Phillip Wood
2023-06-28 16:55     ` Calvin Wan
2023-06-27 19:52 ` [RFC PATCH 3/8] object: move function to object.c Calvin Wan
2023-06-27 19:52 ` [RFC PATCH 4/8] config: correct bad boolean env value error message Calvin Wan
2023-06-27 19:52 ` [RFC PATCH 5/8] parse: create new library for parsing strings and env values Calvin Wan
2023-06-27 22:58   ` Junio C Hamano
2023-06-27 19:52 ` [RFC PATCH 6/8] pager: remove pager_in_use() Calvin Wan
2023-06-27 23:00   ` Junio C Hamano
2023-06-27 23:18     ` Calvin Wan
2023-06-28  0:30     ` Glen Choo
2023-06-28 16:37       ` Glen Choo
2023-06-28 16:44         ` Calvin Wan
2023-06-28 17:30           ` Junio C Hamano
2023-06-28 20:58       ` Junio C Hamano
2023-06-27 19:52 ` [RFC PATCH 7/8] git-std-lib: introduce git standard library Calvin Wan
2023-06-28 13:27   ` Phillip Wood
2023-06-28 21:15     ` Calvin Wan
2023-06-30 10:00       ` Phillip Wood
2023-06-27 19:52 ` [RFC PATCH 8/8] git-std-lib: add test file to call git-std-lib.a functions Calvin Wan
2023-06-28  0:14 ` [RFC PATCH 0/8] Introduce Git Standard Library Glen Choo
2023-06-28 16:30   ` Calvin Wan
2023-06-30  7:01 ` Linus Arver
2023-08-10 16:33 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/7] " Calvin Wan
2023-08-10 16:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/7] hex-ll: split out functionality from hex Calvin Wan
2023-08-10 16:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/7] object: move function to object.c Calvin Wan
2023-08-10 20:32     ` Junio C Hamano
2023-08-10 22:36     ` Glen Choo
2023-08-10 22:43       ` Junio C Hamano
2023-08-10 16:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/7] config: correct bad boolean env value error message Calvin Wan
2023-08-10 20:36     ` Junio C Hamano
2023-08-10 16:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/7] parse: create new library for parsing strings and env values Calvin Wan
2023-08-10 23:21     ` Glen Choo
2023-08-10 23:43       ` Junio C Hamano
2023-08-14 22:15       ` Jonathan Tan
2023-08-14 22:09     ` Jonathan Tan
2023-08-14 22:19       ` Junio C Hamano
2023-08-10 16:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 5/7] date: push pager.h dependency up Calvin Wan
2023-08-10 23:41     ` Glen Choo
2023-08-14 22:17     ` Jonathan Tan
2023-08-10 16:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 6/7] git-std-lib: introduce git standard library Calvin Wan
2023-08-14 22:26     ` Jonathan Tan
2023-08-10 16:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 7/7] git-std-lib: add test file to call git-std-lib.a functions Calvin Wan
2023-08-14 22:28     ` Jonathan Tan
2023-08-10 22:05   ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/7] Introduce Git Standard Library Glen Choo
2023-08-15  9:20     ` Phillip Wood
2023-08-16 17:17       ` Calvin Wan
2023-08-16 21:19         ` Junio C Hamano
2023-08-15  9:41   ` Phillip Wood
2023-09-08 17:41     ` [PATCH v3 0/6] " Calvin Wan
2023-09-08 17:44       ` [PATCH v3 1/6] hex-ll: split out functionality from hex Calvin Wan
2023-09-08 17:44       ` [PATCH v3 2/6] wrapper: remove dependency to Git-specific internal file Calvin Wan
2023-09-15 17:54         ` Jonathan Tan
2023-09-08 17:44       ` [PATCH v3 3/6] config: correct bad boolean env value error message Calvin Wan
2023-09-08 17:44       ` [PATCH v3 4/6] parse: create new library for parsing strings and env values Calvin Wan
2023-09-08 17:44       ` [PATCH v3 5/6] git-std-lib: introduce git standard library Calvin Wan
2023-09-11 13:22         ` Phillip Wood
2023-09-27 14:14           ` Phillip Wood
2023-09-15 18:39         ` Jonathan Tan
2023-09-26 14:23         ` phillip.wood123
2023-09-08 17:44       ` [PATCH v3 6/6] git-std-lib: add test file to call git-std-lib.a functions Calvin Wan
2023-09-09  5:26         ` Junio C Hamano
2023-09-15 18:43         ` Jonathan Tan
2023-09-15 20:22           ` Junio C Hamano
2023-09-08 20:36       ` [PATCH v3 0/6] Introduce Git Standard Library Junio C Hamano
2023-09-08 21:30         ` Junio C Hamano
2023-09-29 21:20 ` [PATCH v4 0/4] Preliminary patches before git-std-lib Jonathan Tan
2023-09-29 21:20   ` [PATCH v4 1/4] hex-ll: separate out non-hash-algo functions Jonathan Tan
2023-10-21  4:14     ` Linus Arver
2023-09-29 21:20   ` [PATCH v4 2/4] wrapper: reduce scope of remove_or_warn() Jonathan Tan
2023-10-10  9:59     ` phillip.wood123
2023-10-10 16:13       ` Junio C Hamano
2023-10-10 17:38         ` Jonathan Tan
2023-09-29 21:20   ` [PATCH v4 3/4] config: correct bad boolean env value error message Jonathan Tan
2023-09-29 23:03     ` Junio C Hamano
2023-09-29 21:20   ` [PATCH v4 4/4] parse: separate out parsing functions from config.h Jonathan Tan
2023-10-10 10:00     ` phillip.wood123
2023-10-10 17:43       ` Jonathan Tan
2023-10-10 17:58         ` Phillip Wood
2023-10-10 20:57           ` Junio C Hamano
2023-10-10 10:05   ` [PATCH v4 0/4] Preliminary patches before git-std-lib phillip.wood123
2023-10-10 16:21     ` Jonathan Tan
2024-02-22 17:50   ` [PATCH v5 0/3] Introduce Git Standard Library Calvin Wan
2024-02-22 17:50   ` [PATCH v5 1/3] pager: include stdint.h because uintmax_t is used Calvin Wan
2024-02-22 21:43     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-02-26 18:59       ` Kyle Lippincott
2024-02-27  0:20         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-02-27  0:56           ` Kyle Lippincott
2024-02-27  2:45             ` Junio C Hamano
2024-02-27 22:29               ` Kyle Lippincott
2024-02-27 23:25                 ` Junio C Hamano
2024-02-27  8:45             ` Jeff King
2024-02-27  9:05               ` Jeff King
2024-02-27 20:10               ` Kyle Lippincott
2024-02-24  1:33     ` Kyle Lippincott
2024-02-24  7:58       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-02-22 17:50   ` [PATCH v5 2/3] git-std-lib: introduce Git Standard Library Calvin Wan
2024-02-29 11:16     ` Phillip Wood
2024-02-29 17:23       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-02-29 18:27         ` Linus Arver [this message]
2024-02-29 18:54           ` Junio C Hamano
2024-02-29 20:03             ` Linus Arver
2024-02-22 17:50   ` [PATCH v5 3/3] test-stdlib: show that git-std-lib is independent Calvin Wan
2024-02-22 22:24     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-03-07 21:13     ` Junio C Hamano

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