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From: Victoria Dye <vdye@github.com>
To: Calvin Wan <calvinwan@google.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, nasamuffin@google.com, chooglen@google.com,
	johnathantanmy@google.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/8] trace2: log fsync stats in trace2 rather than wrapper
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2023 11:22:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <151e7426-e5b2-b078-7b51-63a4bd99dfed@github.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFySSZCYpxNcK6Tfagk1ZBs6cOT9XvWm2b3DJhN0fSPsQCWR1g@mail.gmail.com>

Calvin Wan wrote:
>> An added note re: the commit message - it's extremely important that
>> functions _anywhere in Git_ are able to use the Trace2 API directly. A
>> developer could reasonably want to measure performance, keep track of an
>> interesting metric, log when a region is entered in the larger trace,
>> capture error information, etc. for any function, regardless of where in
>> falls in the internal library organization.
> 
> I don't quite agree that functions _anywhere in Git_ are able to use
> the Trace2 API directly for the same reason that we don't have the
> ability to log functions in external libraries -- logging common,
> low-level functionality creates an unnecessary amount of log churn and
> those logs generally contain practically useless information. 

That may be true in your use cases, but it isn't in mine and may not be for
others'. In fact, I was just using these exact fsync metrics a couple weeks
ago to do some performance analysis; I could easily imagine doing something
similar for another "low level" function. It's unreasonable - and unfair to
future development - to make an absolute declaration about "what's useful
vs. useless" and use that decision to justify severely limiting our future
flexibility on the matter.

> However,
> that does not mean that all of the functions in git-std-lib fall into
> that category (usage has certain functions definitely worth logging).
> This means that files like usage.c could instead be separated into its
> own library and git-std-lib would only contain files that we deem
> "should never be logged".

How do you make that determination? What about if/when someone realizes,
somewhere down the line, that one of those "should never be logged" files
would actually benefit from some aggregate metric, e.g. a Trace2 timer? This
isn't a case of extracting an extraneous dependency (where a function really
doesn't _need_ something it has access to); tracing & logging is a core
functionality in Git, and should not be artificially constrained in the name
of organization. 

>> To that end, I think either the
>> commit message should be rephrased to remove that statement (if the issue is
>> really "we're using a static variable and we want to avoid that"), or the
>> libification effort should be updated to accommodate use of Trace2 anywhere
>> in Git.
> 
> Besides potentially redrawing the boundaries of git-std-lib to
> accommodate Trace2, we're also looking into the possibility of
> stubbing out tracing in git-std-lib so that it and other libraries can
> be built and tested, and then when Trace2 is turned into a library,
> it's full functionality can be linked to.

If that allows you to meet your libification goals without limiting Trace2's
accessibility throughout the codebase, that works for me.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-05 18:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-27 19:52 [RFC PATCH 0/8] Introduce Git Standard Library Calvin Wan
2023-06-27 19:52 ` [RFC PATCH 1/8] trace2: log fsync stats in trace2 rather than wrapper Calvin Wan
2023-06-28  2:05   ` Victoria Dye
2023-07-05 17:57     ` Calvin Wan
2023-07-05 18:22       ` Victoria Dye [this message]
2023-07-11 20:07   ` Jeff Hostetler
2023-06-27 19:52 ` [RFC PATCH 2/8] hex-ll: split out functionality from hex Calvin Wan
2023-06-28 13:15   ` Phillip Wood
2023-06-28 16:55     ` Calvin Wan
2023-06-27 19:52 ` [RFC PATCH 3/8] object: move function to object.c Calvin Wan
2023-06-27 19:52 ` [RFC PATCH 4/8] config: correct bad boolean env value error message Calvin Wan
2023-06-27 19:52 ` [RFC PATCH 5/8] parse: create new library for parsing strings and env values Calvin Wan
2023-06-27 22:58   ` Junio C Hamano
2023-06-27 19:52 ` [RFC PATCH 6/8] pager: remove pager_in_use() Calvin Wan
2023-06-27 23:00   ` Junio C Hamano
2023-06-27 23:18     ` Calvin Wan
2023-06-28  0:30     ` Glen Choo
2023-06-28 16:37       ` Glen Choo
2023-06-28 16:44         ` Calvin Wan
2023-06-28 17:30           ` Junio C Hamano
2023-06-28 20:58       ` Junio C Hamano
2023-06-27 19:52 ` [RFC PATCH 7/8] git-std-lib: introduce git standard library Calvin Wan
2023-06-28 13:27   ` Phillip Wood
2023-06-28 21:15     ` Calvin Wan
2023-06-30 10:00       ` Phillip Wood
2023-06-27 19:52 ` [RFC PATCH 8/8] git-std-lib: add test file to call git-std-lib.a functions Calvin Wan
2023-06-28  0:14 ` [RFC PATCH 0/8] Introduce Git Standard Library Glen Choo
2023-06-28 16:30   ` Calvin Wan
2023-06-30  7:01 ` Linus Arver
2023-08-10 16:33 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/7] " Calvin Wan
2023-08-10 16:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/7] hex-ll: split out functionality from hex Calvin Wan
2023-08-10 16:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/7] object: move function to object.c Calvin Wan
2023-08-10 20:32     ` Junio C Hamano
2023-08-10 22:36     ` Glen Choo
2023-08-10 22:43       ` Junio C Hamano
2023-08-10 16:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/7] config: correct bad boolean env value error message Calvin Wan
2023-08-10 20:36     ` Junio C Hamano
2023-08-10 16:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/7] parse: create new library for parsing strings and env values Calvin Wan
2023-08-10 23:21     ` Glen Choo
2023-08-10 23:43       ` Junio C Hamano
2023-08-14 22:15       ` Jonathan Tan
2023-08-14 22:09     ` Jonathan Tan
2023-08-14 22:19       ` Junio C Hamano
2023-08-10 16:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 5/7] date: push pager.h dependency up Calvin Wan
2023-08-10 23:41     ` Glen Choo
2023-08-14 22:17     ` Jonathan Tan
2023-08-10 16:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 6/7] git-std-lib: introduce git standard library Calvin Wan
2023-08-14 22:26     ` Jonathan Tan
2023-08-10 16:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 7/7] git-std-lib: add test file to call git-std-lib.a functions Calvin Wan
2023-08-14 22:28     ` Jonathan Tan
2023-08-10 22:05   ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/7] Introduce Git Standard Library Glen Choo
2023-08-15  9:20     ` Phillip Wood
2023-08-16 17:17       ` Calvin Wan
2023-08-16 21:19         ` Junio C Hamano
2023-08-15  9:41   ` Phillip Wood
2023-09-08 17:41     ` [PATCH v3 0/6] " Calvin Wan
2023-09-08 17:44       ` [PATCH v3 1/6] hex-ll: split out functionality from hex Calvin Wan
2023-09-08 17:44       ` [PATCH v3 2/6] wrapper: remove dependency to Git-specific internal file Calvin Wan
2023-09-15 17:54         ` Jonathan Tan
2023-09-08 17:44       ` [PATCH v3 3/6] config: correct bad boolean env value error message Calvin Wan
2023-09-08 17:44       ` [PATCH v3 4/6] parse: create new library for parsing strings and env values Calvin Wan
2023-09-08 17:44       ` [PATCH v3 5/6] git-std-lib: introduce git standard library Calvin Wan
2023-09-11 13:22         ` Phillip Wood
2023-09-27 14:14           ` Phillip Wood
2023-09-15 18:39         ` Jonathan Tan
2023-09-26 14:23         ` phillip.wood123
2023-09-08 17:44       ` [PATCH v3 6/6] git-std-lib: add test file to call git-std-lib.a functions Calvin Wan
2023-09-09  5:26         ` Junio C Hamano
2023-09-15 18:43         ` Jonathan Tan
2023-09-15 20:22           ` Junio C Hamano
2023-09-08 20:36       ` [PATCH v3 0/6] Introduce Git Standard Library Junio C Hamano
2023-09-08 21:30         ` Junio C Hamano
2023-09-29 21:20 ` [PATCH v4 0/4] Preliminary patches before git-std-lib Jonathan Tan
2023-09-29 21:20   ` [PATCH v4 1/4] hex-ll: separate out non-hash-algo functions Jonathan Tan
2023-10-21  4:14     ` Linus Arver
2023-09-29 21:20   ` [PATCH v4 2/4] wrapper: reduce scope of remove_or_warn() Jonathan Tan
2023-10-10  9:59     ` phillip.wood123
2023-10-10 16:13       ` Junio C Hamano
2023-10-10 17:38         ` Jonathan Tan
2023-09-29 21:20   ` [PATCH v4 3/4] config: correct bad boolean env value error message Jonathan Tan
2023-09-29 23:03     ` Junio C Hamano
2023-09-29 21:20   ` [PATCH v4 4/4] parse: separate out parsing functions from config.h Jonathan Tan
2023-10-10 10:00     ` phillip.wood123
2023-10-10 17:43       ` Jonathan Tan
2023-10-10 17:58         ` Phillip Wood
2023-10-10 20:57           ` Junio C Hamano
2023-10-10 10:05   ` [PATCH v4 0/4] Preliminary patches before git-std-lib phillip.wood123
2023-10-10 16:21     ` Jonathan Tan
2024-02-22 17:50   ` [PATCH v5 0/3] Introduce Git Standard Library Calvin Wan
2024-02-22 17:50   ` [PATCH v5 1/3] pager: include stdint.h because uintmax_t is used Calvin Wan
2024-02-22 21:43     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-02-26 18:59       ` Kyle Lippincott
2024-02-27  0:20         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-02-27  0:56           ` Kyle Lippincott
2024-02-27  2:45             ` Junio C Hamano
2024-02-27 22:29               ` Kyle Lippincott
2024-02-27 23:25                 ` Junio C Hamano
2024-02-27  8:45             ` Jeff King
2024-02-27  9:05               ` Jeff King
2024-02-27 20:10               ` Kyle Lippincott
2024-02-24  1:33     ` Kyle Lippincott
2024-02-24  7:58       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-02-22 17:50   ` [PATCH v5 2/3] git-std-lib: introduce Git Standard Library Calvin Wan
2024-02-29 11:16     ` Phillip Wood
2024-02-29 17:23       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-02-29 18:27         ` Linus Arver
2024-02-29 18:54           ` Junio C Hamano
2024-02-29 20:03             ` Linus Arver
2024-02-22 17:50   ` [PATCH v5 3/3] test-stdlib: show that git-std-lib is independent Calvin Wan
2024-02-22 22:24     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-03-07 21:13     ` Junio C Hamano

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