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From: Andreas Ericsson <ae@op5.se>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Petr Baudis <pasky@suse.cz>, Rocco Rutte <pdmef@gmx.net>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Libification project (SoC)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:51:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4602519B.7000303@op5.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703211020070.6730@woody.linux-foundation.org>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Andreas Ericsson wrote:
> 
>> Linus Torvalds wrote:
>>> I'm a *huge* believer in "Worse is Better" (for people who don't know it, 
>>> just google for that phrase, with the quotes around it).
>> I just did, and having read the first page of the document found at 
>> http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html, I must say "worse-is-better"
>> sounds an awful lot like evolution; "Start with something that works. When
>> something else works better, jump train and embrace The New Thing".
> 
> Yeah. I'm a huge believer in evolution too (and not just the biological 
> kind ;)
> 
> So "designing" stuff is way overrated. You can spend years designing 
> somethign that is total crap, just because you didn't actually try it out 
> and _realize_ that it wasn't what the user wanted (it may have been what 
> the user _thought_ and _claimed_ that he wanted, but that was before 
> actually tried to use it, and realized that he was wrong).
> 

Indeed. That's probably why Extreme Programming (silly hype-name, but what
to call it otherwise?) has gained so much popularity from the people that
really understand the concept.

To those that don't wish to google for it, Extreme Programming is about
taking small steps that lead to a diffuse goal ("We shall make a fantasy
video game that millions of people would like to play. Significant lore
is here, here and here"). 

The goal and any of the steps might change along the way. Basically, it
puts "re-think, re-design, re-factor" on the table for corporate software
production and promotes rapid implementation over correctness.

-- 
Andreas Ericsson                   andreas.ericsson@op5.se
OP5 AB                             www.op5.se
Tel: +46 8-230225                  Fax: +46 8-230231

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-22  9:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-16  4:24 Libification project (SoC) Luiz Fernando N. Capitulino
2007-03-16  4:59 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-03-16  5:30   ` Junio C Hamano
2007-03-16  6:00     ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-03-16  6:54       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-03-16 11:54         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-03-16 13:09           ` Rocco Rutte
2007-03-16 15:12             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-03-16 15:55               ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-03-16 16:13                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-03-16 16:26                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-03-16 18:22                     ` Steve Frécinaux
2007-03-16 18:53                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-03-18 13:57                         ` Petr Baudis
2007-03-16 23:26                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-03-16 16:17                 ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-03-16 18:20               ` Marco Costalba
2007-03-16 18:38                 ` Marco Costalba
2007-03-16 18:59                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-03-16 21:07                     ` Marco Costalba
2007-03-16 23:24                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-03-17  7:04                         ` Marco Costalba
2007-03-17 17:29                           ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-03-16 19:09                   ` Andy Parkins
2007-03-18 14:08               ` Petr Baudis
2007-03-18 23:48                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-03-19  1:21                   ` Petr Baudis
2007-03-19  1:43                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-03-19  2:56                       ` Theodore Tso
2007-03-19  3:55                         ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-03-19 14:57                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-03-19 16:28                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-19 16:32                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-21 11:17                           ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-03-21 17:24                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-22  9:51                               ` Andreas Ericsson [this message]
2007-03-19  7:01                       ` Marco Costalba
2007-03-19  9:46                         ` Steve Frécinaux
2007-03-19 10:33                         ` Steve Frécinaux
2007-03-19 12:37                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-03-19 12:52                           ` Petr Baudis
2007-03-19 13:55                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-03-19 13:04                           ` Marco Costalba
2007-03-16 12:53     ` Petr Baudis
2007-03-16 13:47     ` Luiz Fernando N. Capitulino
2007-03-16 14:08       ` Petr Baudis
2007-03-16 18:38         ` Luiz Fernando N. Capitulino
2007-03-16 23:16           ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-03-17 19:58             ` Luiz Fernando N. Capitulino
2007-03-18  5:23               ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-03-18  5:52                 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-03-18 16:18                   ` Luiz Fernando N. Capitulino
2007-03-18 19:31                     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-03-19 16:09                       ` Luiz Fernando N. Capitulino
2007-03-18 21:15                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-03-16 15:16       ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-03-16  8:06   ` Johannes Sixt
2007-03-16  8:58     ` Matthieu Moy
2007-03-16 11:51       ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-03-16 12:55   ` Petr Baudis
2007-03-17  2:24 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-03-17  5:22   ` Shawn O. Pearce

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