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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: "Clemens Buchacher" <drizzd@aon.at>,
	"SZEDER Gábor" <szeder@ira.uka.de>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [BUG] 'add -u' doesn't work from untracked subdir
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 03:20:17 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090905072017.GA5152@coredump.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7v8wgt98ms.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org>

On Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 12:02:35AM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote:

> The intent of 1.7.0 is to fix usability glitches and warts that everybody
> has long agreed are problematic.  People have *just started* discussing
> about this---it is not remotely close to "everybody has long agreed are
> problematic" criteria.  It is too late for 1.7.0.

What about a config option that could change the behavior? True, the
time-frame for discussion is much shorter, but we are not proposing to
make a change that would affect users who do not agree to it. And I
think the point of giving a long time-frame for discussion is to let
people decide whether a change that users do not agree to may affect
them in a bad way.

The real danger here is that users of the config option may be breaking
an interface that is used by scripts. But I feel that 1.7.0 is probably
the best time in the forseeable future to do that, as script-writers
already must be wary of the version change.

> I personally find "add -u" that defaults to the current directory more
> natural than always going to the root; same preference for "grep".
> Besides, "add -u subdir" must add subdir relative to the cwd, without
> going to the root.  Why should "add -u" sans argument behave drastically
> differently?

I agree that there is a certain consistency to the current behavior. But
I also find it terribly annoying, because I _always_ want it to do the
other thing, and it silently accepts the command without even telling
me, leaving me to find out ten minutes later that what I thought was
added was not ("git add", by contrast, yells at you in the same
situation).

I also happen to prefer the other behavior because it is easy to switch
the two options: "git add -u" versus "git add -u .", whereas with
current behavior I am stuck calculating (and typing) the correct number
of "../" markers.

But I respect the fact that even if we had infinite time for discussion,
there would be people who prefer it the opposite way to me. So how about
that config option?

> Speaking of cwd-ness, I sometimes find ls-tree irritating, but I think
> this is in "if we had known better we would have designed it differently,
> but because we didn't, because many scripts already depend on the current
> behaviour, and because we have an --full-name escape hatch, we are not
> likely to change it, ever" category.

I assume you mean "ls-files".  I have every once in a while been annoyed
by that, but given how infrequently I run ls-files, it is not a big
deal. :)

> If "git add -u ../.." (I mean "the grand parent directory", not "an
> unnamed subdirectory") did not work, it would be unexcusable and we would
> want to devise an migration path, but otherwise I do not think it is such
> a big deal.  I would say the commands that are used to incrementally build

As I mentioned above, not only is that annoying to use, but the real
problem is that I _expect_ the other behavior and it silently does the
opposite of what I want. You can argue that my brain is defective (for
not remembering, I mean -- we _know_ it's defective in other ways), but
certainly a config option would be useful to me.

> Oh, "git grep -e foo ../..", however, does not seem to work.  That might be
> something people may want to tackle.

Thanks for mentioning "git grep"; I had forgotten that I have been
bitten by expecting full-tree behavior from that in the past, too. A
config option should cover that, too. ;)

-Peff

  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-05  7:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-02  8:03 [BUG] 'add -u' doesn't work from untracked subdir SZEDER Gábor
2009-09-02  8:19 ` Jeff King
2009-09-04  7:02   ` Clemens Buchacher
2009-09-05  6:18     ` Jeff King
2009-09-05  7:02       ` Junio C Hamano
2009-09-05  7:20         ` Jeff King [this message]
2009-09-05  7:58           ` Junio C Hamano
2009-09-05  8:02             ` Jeff King
2009-09-05  8:23               ` Junio C Hamano
2009-09-06 18:28                 ` Clemens Buchacher
2009-09-09 23:46                 ` Nanako Shiraishi
2009-09-10 19:53                   ` Junio C Hamano
2009-09-10 20:32                     ` Clemens Buchacher
2009-09-05 12:31             ` [PATCH 1/2] grep: accept relative paths outside current working directory Clemens Buchacher
2009-09-05 12:33               ` [PATCH 2/2] add 'scope' config option Clemens Buchacher
2009-09-05 13:10                 ` [PATCH 2/2 v2] " Clemens Buchacher
2009-09-06 22:58               ` [PATCH 1/2] grep: accept relative paths outside current working directory Junio C Hamano
2009-09-07  8:48                 ` [PATCH] grep: fix exit status if external_grep() returns error Clemens Buchacher
2009-09-07 18:13                   ` Junio C Hamano
2009-09-05  8:19           ` [BUG] 'add -u' doesn't work from untracked subdir Jeff King
2009-09-05  7:25         ` Junio C Hamano
2009-09-05  8:46         ` Clemens Buchacher
2009-09-05 17:28           ` Junio C Hamano
2009-09-05 17:58             ` Jakub Narebski
2009-09-05 18:45             ` Clemens Buchacher
2009-09-05 21:46               ` 'add -u' without path is relative to cwd Junio C Hamano
2009-09-06 12:32           ` [BUG] 'add -u' doesn't work from untracked subdir Matthieu Moy
2009-09-06 18:16             ` Clemens Buchacher
2009-09-07  6:23               ` Matthieu Moy
2009-09-07  7:33                 ` SZEDER Gábor
2009-09-07  8:06                   ` Matthieu Moy
2009-09-07  0:07           ` Nanako Shiraishi
2009-09-07  5:07             ` Junio C Hamano
2009-09-07  7:50             ` Clemens Buchacher
2009-09-04  8:32   ` SZEDER Gábor

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