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(VPS 161208-3, 08/12/2016), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Headers-End: 1cFKMo-0003XJ-EV X-BeenThere: sox-users@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sox-users-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.audio.sox:6369 Archived-At: Received: from lists.sourceforge.net ([216.34.181.88]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cFKMx-00016U-QI for gcas-sox-users@gmane.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2016 13:33:44 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1cFKMs-00024a-O1; Fri, 09 Dec 2016 12:33:38 +0000 Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1cFKMr-00024S-Co for sox-users@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 09 Dec 2016 12:33:37 +0000 Received: from mail-wm0-f48.google.com ([74.125.82.48]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1cFKMo-0003XJ-EV for sox-users@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 09 Dec 2016 12:33:37 +0000 Received: by mail-wm0-f48.google.com with SMTP id a197so24878783wmd.0 for ; Fri, 09 Dec 2016 04:33:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([195.158.99.83]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f126sm20292969wme.22.2016.12.09.04.33.26 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 09 Dec 2016 04:33:26 -0800 (PST) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2502614116878338781== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------4F188B52F1D396E03B98F6FF" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4F188B52F1D396E03B98F6FF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you very much for your feedback. I must admit that this exercise was presented to me by a friend and I am myself trying to help him. To do so it seems like I have to learn a lot of things which would be beyond the routine tasks I do for myself. Generally I do not like automated processes in my project as it tends to increase artificiality rather than preserving the warts and all in the creation of digital replicas of real instruments. I do not want to achieve perfection to end up with perfect, dull, "synthesized" sounds that would be tiring to the ears. These just don't sound right and have been an issue with branded electronic instruments one can buy at music stores for as long as they have been in existence. Though I am willing to learn new stuff, learning syntax and codes is not something I am prepared for at this point in time. I have already gone well out of my way to help someone else in my benevolence.... putting on the back burner my own stuff which I need to work on desperately. Whilst I did request the feature in a SoX update, I retract that completely as I realised that this situation was a one-off in the line of work I am doing and I doubt I'd ever come across a similar situation again. Most samplesets are processed in stereo and left as such. I recently learnt that it is only Hauptwerk software that apparently needs seperate channels to achieve a specific effect when tremolo is used. What I hoped for was that someone had done this before and could tell me what lines of characters, dots, dashes and stars I needed to type to create a bat file that would do the job. It appears that many have not understood the task of creating digital samplesets, don not know what loops are etc. Fair enough. We're into different field in audio sampling. Granted. I am a doctor not a brain surgeon and I am not expected to handle brain tumours other than referring the patient to hospital if I suspect one. My apologies if I sounded like I wanted a quick fix. I did want one, indeed. I don't think anyone would be prepared to learn Japanese to do a single translation for a friend or himself for that matter. Regards Mark On 09/12/2016 10:08, fmiser wrote: >> Dr. wrote: >> I cannot give any more information on where the loops and >> markers are. They are created using audio software. >> I cannot add more than this since I am in no way technically >> minded to be able to answer certain questions. > Okay. > > You are embarked on a task that appears to me to involve a > lot of technically minded tasks. I asked because _I_ don't know - > and hoped you would. And just because you don't know the details > doesn't mean SoX and this list can't help. > The list has proven again and again it is eager to help - > especially those who are willing to do some work for themselves. > I will admit, the list is also a bit rough on people who show up > and expect to be handed a solution with no effort of their own. > > I'm not wanting to be rude, or harsh, but your early posts > seemed to suggest that you expected the list to tell you > exactly what you must type into the shell to make everything work > just right. That will turn many people away from helping. > > Said another way, we are here to _help_ you, not do it for you. > *smiles* The more you help us understand, the more we can help > you. > >> It does not matter if SoX would not include features like these. >> I thought I'd make my perfectly legitimate request.... I tried. > Did you check the one you merged to stereo? Did the markers come > through or did they get lost? Maybe it already does what you want! > > In a former post, you wrote: > >> and YES I get a stereo.wav which appears correct on Soundforge!!! >> >> Horrah!! > Does that mean the file that SoX merged DID retain the markers you > want? Or is it just the audio and the markers are lost? > > What you seem to be describing as loops and cues sure seems to NOT > be part of standard audio file specs. It's impossible for me to > _do_ anything because I don't have any way to be sure any file I > have is what you are working with. Maybe I can add a mark - but > is that the same as the one you have? > > If SoX is NOT handling the markers, can you provide sample files? > There are some very clever people who might be able to figure > something out. But if you can't describe it technically, and > can't indicate a standard it conforms to, or provide a sample, we > are probably unable to help you. > >> I'll just have to be patient and do the job manually. > Do what you want. *smiles* There are a lot of us that are very > happy with what SoX can do for our audio task. I'm willing to bet > every single one of us - probably including the developers - has > had to spend a chuck of time trying to figure out how to use this > supertool called SoX! And if you are not comfortable with command > line, then you have two learning tasks on top of each other. > > As to doing a tedious job manually, personally, I prefer spending > time figuring out how to use a batch processing tool - and build a > script to call it - than doing a repetitive task. Then the job is > done AND I have added to my own "toolbox" so I'm better prepared > for the next challenge. But that's just me. You are free - and > welcome - to do as you please. >> SoX was recommended to me by a friend with whom I create >> samplesets. I took up that recommendation but clearly this is >> not the software I need, > SoX is very good at a LOT of audio processing tasks. But it's > also not able to do everything. > Familiarity with using a command line and writing a batch file is > almost essential to what you are wanting to do. Whether using SoX > or one of the tool I list below, success depends on BOTH what > command to run AND how to manipulate the command so it will > process a whole bunch. > You could also look at ecasound, though I think that may be a *nix > only program. It too is a command line audio tool. It > specializes in multitrack recording and editing, and your task of > merging two mono files into a stereo file is just the sort of > thing it does well. > > ffmpeg is capable of combining two mono files into a stereo file. > I know it is available for MS Win. > > I ran a search for "batch process stereo from two mono files" and found > BatchPro. > http://www.digitalbrain-instruments.com/batchpro > > I could not load the website, so I cannot comment further. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors > Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. > With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. > Training and support from Colfax. > Order your platform today.http://sdm.link/xeonphi > _______________________________________________ > Sox-users mailing list > Sox-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sox-users > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --------------4F188B52F1D396E03B98F6FF Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Thank you very much for your feedback. I must admit that this exercise was presented to me by a friend and I am myself trying to help him. To do so it seems like I have to learn a lot of things which would be beyond the routine tasks I do for myself. Generally I do not like automated processes in my project as it tends to increase artificiality rather than preserving the warts and all in the creation of digital replicas of real instruments. I do not want to achieve perfection to end up with perfect, dull, "synthesized" sounds  that would be tiring to the ears. These just don't sound right and have been an issue with branded electronic instruments one can buy at music stores for as long as they have been in existence.

Though I am willing to learn new stuff, learning syntax and codes is not something I am prepared for at this point in time. I have already gone well out of my way to help someone else in my benevolence.... putting on the back burner my own stuff which I need to work on desperately. Whilst I did request the feature in a SoX update, I retract that completely as I realised that this situation was a one-off in the line of work I am doing and I doubt I'd ever come across a similar situation again. Most samplesets are processed in stereo and left as such. I recently learnt that it is only Hauptwerk software that apparently needs seperate channels to achieve a specific effect when tremolo is used.

What I hoped for was that someone had done this before and could tell me what lines of characters, dots, dashes and stars I needed to type to create a bat file that would do the job. It appears that many have not understood the task of creating digital samplesets, don not know what loops are etc. Fair enough. We're into different field in audio sampling. Granted. I am a doctor not a brain surgeon and I am not expected to handle brain tumours other than referring the patient to hospital if I suspect one.

My apologies if I sounded like I wanted a quick fix. I did want one, indeed. I don't think anyone would be prepared to learn Japanese to do a single translation for a friend or himself for that matter.

Regards

Mark 


On 09/12/2016 10:08, fmiser wrote:
Dr. wrote:


      

        
I cannot give any more information on where the loops and
markers are. They are created using audio software.


      

      

      

        
I cannot add more than this since I am in no way technically
minded to be able to answer certain questions.


      

      
Okay.

You are embarked on a task that appears to me to involve a
lot of technically minded tasks.  I asked because _I_ don't know -
and hoped you would.  And just because you don't know the details
doesn't mean SoX and this list can't help.
The list has proven again and again it is eager to help -
especially those who are willing to do some work for themselves.
I will admit, the list is also a bit rough on people who show up
and expect to be handed a solution with no effort of their own.

I'm not wanting to be rude, or harsh, but your early posts
seemed to suggest that you expected the list to tell you
exactly what you must type into the shell to make everything work
just right.  That will turn many people away from helping.

Said another way, we are here to _help_ you, not do it for you.
*smiles*  The more you help us understand, the more we can help
you.



      

        
It does not matter if SoX would not include features like these.
I thought I'd make my perfectly legitimate request.... I tried.


      

      
Did you check the one you merged to stereo?  Did the markers come
through or did they get lost?  Maybe it already does what you want!

In a former post, you wrote:



      

        
and YES I get a stereo.wav which appears correct on Soundforge!!!

Horrah!!


      

      
Does that mean the file that SoX merged DID retain the markers you
want?  Or is it just the audio and the markers are lost?

What you seem to be describing as loops and cues sure seems to NOT
be part of standard audio file specs.  It's impossible for me to
_do_ anything because I don't have any way to be sure any file I
have is what you are working with.  Maybe I can add a mark - but
is that the same as the one you have?

If SoX is NOT handling the markers, can you provide sample files?
There are some very clever people who might be able to figure
something out.  But if you can't describe it technically, and
can't indicate a standard it conforms to, or provide a sample, we
are probably unable to help you.



      

        
I'll just have to be patient and do the job manually.


      

      
Do what you want.  *smiles*  There are a lot of us that are very
happy with what SoX can do for our audio task.  I'm willing to bet
every single one of us - probably including the developers - has
had to spend a chuck of time trying to figure out how to use this
supertool called SoX!  And if you are not comfortable with command
line, then you have two learning tasks on top of each other.

As to doing a tedious job manually, personally, I prefer spending
time figuring out how to use a batch processing tool - and build a
script to call it - than doing a repetitive task.  Then the job is
done AND I have added to my own "toolbox" so I'm better prepared
for the next challenge.  But that's just me.  You are free - and
welcome - to do as you please.


      

        
SoX was recommended to me by a friend with whom I create
samplesets. I took up that recommendation but clearly this is
not the software I need,


      

      
SoX is very good at a LOT of audio processing tasks.  But it's
also not able to do everything.
Familiarity with using a command line and writing a batch file is
almost essential to what you are wanting to do.  Whether using SoX
or one of the tool I list below, success depends on BOTH what
command to run AND how to manipulate the command so it will
process a whole bunch.
You could also look at ecasound, though I think that may be a *nix
only program.  It too is a command line audio tool.  It
specializes in multitrack recording and editing, and your task of
merging two mono files into a stereo file is just the sort of
thing it does well.

ffmpeg is capable of combining two mono files into a stereo file.
I know it is available for MS Win.

I ran a search for "batch process stereo from two mono files" and found 
BatchPro.
http://www.digitalbrain-instruments.com/batchpro

I could not load the website, so I cannot comment further.

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