Did everyone get this email on the list or is this a fishing email

Did everyone get this email on the list or is this a fishing email

[RT]

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I was sent the below email and wanted to know if anyone else got this?

Hi,

Thanks for being a SourceForge user. Our records indicate that you are
subscribed to the following project mailing lists:

    audacity-users
    sox-users

We are contacting you to confirm you are still interested in receiving
emails from these SourceForge project lists.  If you do not confirm your
subscriptions by June 29th, you will be unsubscribed from the above mailing
lists.

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*********** ASKING FOR HELP *************

When asking for help on this list, please include the following information, so we can
help you properly:

* What operating system you are using (for example, Windows XP or Mac OS X 10.5.1)

* Exactly what three digit version number of Audacity you are using (Help > About
   Audacity, or Audacity >  About Audacity on a Mac computer)

* If this is a recording problem, what equipment you are recording with, and how is it
   connected to the computer?

Mailing list: Audacity-users@lists.sourceforge.net
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Re: Did everyone get this email on the list or is this a fishing email

[Lin Sprague]

On 6/9/2017 1:46 AM, RT wrote:
> I was sent the below email and wanted to know if anyone else got this?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks for being a SourceForge user. Our records indicate that you are 
> subscribed to the following project mailing lists:
> 
>      audacity-users
>      sox-users

I got one, too (but just for the audacity list.) I checked out the email 
headers thoroughly and decided it was legit, so I responded to it as 
requested.


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help you properly:

* What operating system you are using (for example, Windows XP or Mac OS X 10.5.1)

* Exactly what three digit version number of Audacity you are using (Help > About
   Audacity, or Audacity >  About Audacity on a Mac computer)

* If this is a recording problem, what equipment you are recording with, and how is it
   connected to the computer?

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Re: Did everyone get this email on the list or is this a fishing email

[Jeremy Nicoll - ml sox users]

On 2017-06-09 06:46, RT wrote:
> I was sent the below email and wanted to know if anyone else got this?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks for being a SourceForge user. ...

I got one and am unhappy about it, though I think it may be genuine.  
The
link you click on goes to a webform where I found I was unable to agree 
to
the reconfirmed mail list subscription without also agreeing to getting
some sourceforge stuff emailed to the same email address.

In my case my sox-users email address is different from the one I use to
login to SF and I don't much want generic SF stuff coming to this 
address.

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Re: Did everyone get this email on the list or is this a fishing email

[Luciano ES]

I also received it and I had to confirm my subscription to several 
mailing lists. The good thing is I only had to go through the process 
once for all of them.

The page/form won't work until you enable cookies and a large bunch 
of Javascript sources.

I had to accept some terms and conditions, but refused the junk mail 
opt-in.

I recommend using a separate, burner browser and still delete all 
cookies after you've visited that page.

SourceForge hasn't been cool for many years. I wish all projects I 
like would move elsewhere.

-- 
Luciano ES
>>
**************************
On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 10:21:55 +0100, Jeremy Nicoll - ml sox users wrote:

> On 2017-06-09 06:46, RT wrote:
> > I was sent the below email and wanted to know if anyone else got
> > this?
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Thanks for being a SourceForge user. ...
> 
> I got one and am unhappy about it, though I think it may be genuine.  
> The
> link you click on goes to a webform where I found I was unable to
> agree to
> the reconfirmed mail list subscription without also agreeing to
> getting some sourceforge stuff emailed to the same email address.
> 
> In my case my sox-users email address is different from the one I use
> to login to SF and I don't much want generic SF stuff coming to this 
> address.
> 


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Re: Did everyone get this email on the list or is this a fishing email

[fmiser]

> > > RT wrote:  
> > >
> > > I was sent the below email and wanted to know if anyone else
> > > got this?
> > >
> > > Thanks for being a SourceForge user. ...  

> > Jeremy wrote:
> >
> > I got one and am unhappy about it, though I think it may be
> > genuine. 

> Luciano wrote:

> I also received it and I had to confirm my subscription to
> several mailing lists.

> SourceForge hasn't been cool for many years. I wish all projects
> I like would move elsewhere.

I got it.  And the terms and privacy policy are not so nice.

*sigh*  I think this is then the end for me.  Looks like almost 10
years...

If the list move to some more friendly location I'll join again!
As it is, I'll just let the time run out.

So long, and thanks for all fish.*

   * "fish" it this case is a secret word meaning "good advice 
      and such over the years". 


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Re: Did everyone get this email on the list or is this a fishing email

[Eric Wong]

fmiser <fmiser@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > RT wrote:  
> > > >
> > > > I was sent the below email and wanted to know if anyone else
> > > > got this?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for being a SourceForge user. ...  
> 
> > > Jeremy wrote:
> > >
> > > I got one and am unhappy about it, though I think it may be
> > > genuine. 
> 
> > Luciano wrote:
> 
> > I also received it and I had to confirm my subscription to
> > several mailing lists.

I also got it.

Requiring JavaScript (which only GUI browsers seem to support)
is absolutely unacceptable for users of a command-line project
like sox.

> > SourceForge hasn't been cool for many years. I wish all projects
> > I like would move elsewhere.
> 
> I got it.  And the terms and privacy policy are not so nice.

At least SF does not seem to have GitHub's horrible
"one account for everything" policy...

> *sigh*  I think this is then the end for me.  Looks like almost 10
> years...
> 
> If the list move to some more friendly location I'll join again!
> As it is, I'll just let the time run out.

Would moving to non-GNU Savannah be agreeable to everyone?

	http://savannah.nongnu.org/

It's run by GNU for non-GNU projects; so JavaScript should never
be required.

Anyways, you all have my email address and can contact me
directly if/when SF eventually ceases to exist.

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Re: Did everyone get this email on the list or is this a fishing email

[Luciano ES]

On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 03:06:27 +0000, Eric Wong wrote:

> Requiring JavaScript (which only GUI browsers seem to support)
> is absolutely unacceptable for users of a command-line project
> like sox.

It's dumb. I believe they need Javascript to run the Google captchas. 

Now, we get an email from them...
in our already subscribed address...
with a confirmation link...
which contains an ID string...
which also contains the subscribed email address.

What do they need the captcha for?

They're clueless.

-- 
Luciano ES
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Re: Did everyone get this email on the list or is this a fishing email

[Peter P.]

Hi,

* Eric Wong <normalperson@yhbt.net> [2017-06-10 05:26]:
[...] 
> Would moving to non-GNU Savannah be agreeable to everyone?
> 
> 	http://savannah.nongnu.org/
> 
> It's run by GNU for non-GNU projects; so JavaScript should never
> be required.

I would love that! Who would be to decide? Who is the admin for the
current list?

Good Idea! Let's move away from SF!

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Re: Did everyone get this email on the list or is this a fishing email

[RT]

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I second / third the move away from SF, we all know why they are doing
this.  SF will eventually start to spam us and most likely try and sell or
email addresses later on down the line.

On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 3:30 AM, Peter P. <peterparker@fastmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> * Eric Wong <normalperson@yhbt.net> [2017-06-10 05:26]:
> [...]
> > Would moving to non-GNU Savannah be agreeable to everyone?
> >
> >       http://savannah.nongnu.org/
> >
> > It's run by GNU for non-GNU projects; so JavaScript should never
> > be required.
>
> I would love that! Who would be to decide? Who is the admin for the
> current list?
>
> Good Idea! Let's move away from SF!
>
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Re: Did everyone get this email on the list or is this a fishing email

[Eric Wong]

"Peter P." <peterparker@fastmail.com> wrote:
> * Eric Wong <normalperson@yhbt.net> [2017-06-10 05:26]:
> [...] 
> > Would moving to non-GNU Savannah be agreeable to everyone?
> > 
> > 	http://savannah.nongnu.org/
> > 
> > It's run by GNU for non-GNU projects; so JavaScript should never
> > be required.
> 
> I would love that! Who would be to decide? Who is the admin for the
> current list?

I'm no admin, I guess Chris, Ulrich, and Rob are.

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Re: Did everyone get this email on the list or is this a fishing email

[Eric Wong]

RT <ratulloch@gmail.com> wrote:
> I second / third the move away from SF, we all know why they are doing
> this.  SF will eventually start to spam us and most likely try and sell or
> email addresses later on down the line.

Huh?  You do realize all of our emails + addresses here are
already publically archived and trivially easy to crawl for
spammers, right?

I guess only the lurkers will have the right to worry...

Anyways, I consider the lack of obfuscation in mailing lists a
feature; it makes communications more robust against a single
point of failure.  Everyone can still contact each other if SF
shuts down.



Fwiw, I also plan on getting public-inbox to support
"centralized" mailing lists like this one (where the convention
seems to be reply-to-list, rather than reply-to-all).

Right now, public-inbox is great for the git.git project:
https://public-inbox.org/git/ where reply-to-all is expected.
No addresses are obfuscated at all.  Many people can follow that
list completely anonymously without subscribing, using Tor
.onion (NNTP|HTTP), or via HTTPS.

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Re: Did everyone get this email on the list or is this a fishing email

[Pander via Sox-users]

The FontForge community is moving to Freedesktop. Also something for Sox?! See https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101370

On 10 June 2017 12:22:53 CEST, Eric Wong <normalperson@yhbt.net> wrote:
>RT <ratulloch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I second / third the move away from SF, we all know why they are
>doing
>> this.  SF will eventually start to spam us and most likely try and
>sell or
>> email addresses later on down the line.
>
>Huh?  You do realize all of our emails + addresses here are
>already publically archived and trivially easy to crawl for
>spammers, right?
>
>I guess only the lurkers will have the right to worry...
>
>Anyways, I consider the lack of obfuscation in mailing lists a
>feature; it makes communications more robust against a single
>point of failure.  Everyone can still contact each other if SF
>shuts down.
>
>
>
>Fwiw, I also plan on getting public-inbox to support
>"centralized" mailing lists like this one (where the convention
>seems to be reply-to-list, rather than reply-to-all).
>
>Right now, public-inbox is great for the git.git project:
>https://public-inbox.org/git/ where reply-to-all is expected.
>No addresses are obfuscated at all.  Many people can follow that
>list completely anonymously without subscribing, using Tor
>.onion (NNTP|HTTP), or via HTTPS.
>
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[Eric Wong]

Eric Wong <normalperson@yhbt.net> wrote:
> "Peter P." <peterparker@fastmail.com> wrote:
> > * Eric Wong <normalperson@yhbt.net> [2017-06-10 05:26]:
> > [...] 
> > > Would moving to non-GNU Savannah be agreeable to everyone?
> > > 
> > > 	http://savannah.nongnu.org/
> > > 
> > > It's run by GNU for non-GNU projects; so JavaScript should never
> > > be required.
> > 
> > I would love that! Who would be to decide? Who is the admin for the
> > current list?
> 
> I'm no admin, I guess Chris, Ulrich, and Rob are.

Unfortunately, I don't feel I have the authority to move to
Savannah or anywhere else.  And I really, really hate dealing
with <form> or JS elements in websites.

What I will do is setup a public mirror of the list which is
hopefully friendly to users w/o JS or don't want to deal with
ads, and possibly offer subscriptions via my mlmmj instance
(it would replay messages on this list using a new address).

HTTPS archives are up:

	https://public-inbox.org/sox-devel/
	https://public-inbox.org/sox-users/

	(NNTP and Tor .onion endpoints are also listed in there)

Longer announcment coming.

Background: I already work on run public-inbox for several
projects, including the well-known git@vger mirror:

	https://public-inbox.org/git/

Also, my sox-dependent dtas: https://80x24.org/dtas-all/

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Re: new mail archives (was: Did everyone get this email on the list or is this a fishing email)

[Peter P.]

* Eric Wong <normalperson@yhbt.net> [2017-06-29 09:22]:
> Eric Wong <normalperson@yhbt.net> wrote:
> > "Peter P." <peterparker@fastmail.com> wrote:
> > > * Eric Wong <normalperson@yhbt.net> [2017-06-10 05:26]:
> > > [...] 
> > > > Would moving to non-GNU Savannah be agreeable to everyone?
> > > > 
> > > > 	http://savannah.nongnu.org/
> > > > 
> > > > It's run by GNU for non-GNU projects; so JavaScript should never
> > > > be required.
> > > 
> > > I would love that! Who would be to decide? Who is the admin for the
> > > current list?
> > 
> > I'm no admin, I guess Chris, Ulrich, and Rob are.
> 
> Unfortunately, I don't feel I have the authority to move to
> Savannah or anywhere else.  And I really, really hate dealing
> with <form> or JS elements in websites.
Thank you Eric, Who would have the authority to do so?

> What I will do is setup a public mirror of the list which is
> hopefully friendly to users w/o JS or don't want to deal with
> ads, and possibly offer subscriptions via my mlmmj instance
> (it would replay messages on this list using a new address).
I am trying to continue my life without having to consent to SF's
conditions and without an account at their site(s). Would subscribing
via your mlmmj interface allow a similar usage of the sox mailing list
as it is now?

thanks again!
P

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Re: new mail archives (was: Did everyone get this email on the list or is this a fishing email)

[Eric Wong]

"Peter P." <peterparker@fastmail.com> wrote:
> * Eric Wong <normalperson@yhbt.net> [2017-06-29 09:22]:
> > Eric Wong <normalperson@yhbt.net> wrote:
> > > "Peter P." <peterparker@fastmail.com> wrote:
> > > > * Eric Wong <normalperson@yhbt.net> [2017-06-10 05:26]:
> > > > [...] 
> > > > > Would moving to non-GNU Savannah be agreeable to everyone?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 	http://savannah.nongnu.org/
> > > > > 
> > > > > It's run by GNU for non-GNU projects; so JavaScript should never
> > > > > be required.
> > > > 
> > > > I would love that! Who would be to decide? Who is the admin for the
> > > > current list?
> > > 
> > > I'm no admin, I guess Chris, Ulrich, and Rob are.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, I don't feel I have the authority to move to
> > Savannah or anywhere else.  And I really, really hate dealing
> > with <form> or JS elements in websites.
> 
> Thank you Eric, Who would have the authority to do so?

Again, Probably one of Chris, Ulrich, Rob; but most likely
Chris.

> > What I will do is setup a public mirror of the list which is
> > hopefully friendly to users w/o JS or don't want to deal with
> > ads, and possibly offer subscriptions via my mlmmj instance
> > (it would replay messages on this list using a new address).

> I am trying to continue my life without having to consent to SF's
> conditions and without an account at their site(s). Would subscribing
> via your mlmmj interface allow a similar usage of the sox mailing list
> as it is now?

I'm not sure how posting would via public-inbox.org back to
sf.net would work, actually.

You can now subscribe, and continue to read using:

	sox-users+subscribe@public-inbox.org
	sox-devel+subscribe@public-inbox.org

But I'm not sure how I'd enable a bi-directional gateway from
public-inbox.org to sourceforge.net, easily.  I can probably
throw together some Perl, tomorrow... (way past my bedtime :<)

Anyways, if you can't post, feel free to email me directly and
I can forward it for you.

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Re: new mail archives (was: Did everyone get this email on the list or is this a fishing email)

[Peter P.]

Dear Eric,
dear Chris, Ulrich, Rob,

* Eric Wong <normalperson@yhbt.net> [2017-06-29 10:42]:
[...]
> > Thank you Eric, Who would have the authority to do so?
> 
> Again, Probably one of Chris, Ulrich, Rob; but most likely
> Chris.
Chris, I am wondering, if you are reading this, what your opinion on
migrating the mailing list would be (unless you have already stated so
here and I have missed your reply). Thank you!

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Re: Did everyone get this email on the list or is this a fishing email

[Jan Stary]

> Would moving to non-GNU Savannah be agreeable to everyone?
> 
> 	http://savannah.nongnu.org/
> 
> It's run by GNU for non-GNU projects; so JavaScript should never
> be required.

I;d be all for bitbucket (both for the SoX repo and the mailing list),
but it seems we have already moved elsewhere.

	Jan


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Re: new mail archives (was: Did everyone get this email on the list or is this a fishing email)

[Jan Stary]

> I'm not sure how posting would via public-inbox.org back to
> sf.net would work, actually.
> 
> You can now subscribe, and continue to read using:
> 
> 	sox-users+subscribe@public-inbox.org
> 	sox-devel+subscribe@public-inbox.org
> 
> But I'm not sure how I'd enable a bi-directional gateway from
> public-inbox.org to sourceforge.net, easily.  I can probably
> throw together some Perl, tomorrow...

Please don't. If the mailing list is moving from SF to somewhere else, OK.
But let that new place be the one and only place the list is at.

> Anyways, if you can't post, feel free to email me directly and
> I can forward it for you.

That would be the opposite of a maling list.

	Jan


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