From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dr. Mark Bugeja MD" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.audio.sox Subject: Re: merging mono files Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 21:37:02 +0100 Message-ID: <16188a83-dfaf-a400-7333-43cb29a8982a@gmail.com> References: <20161207210754.6rliezfgvdzgzco3@fastmail.com> <0a78e01d-9f85-1277-ee15-be80353b32aa@gmail.com> <20161208071200.GB96771@www.stare.cz> <8f200ac6-5aeb-0746-359b-784481bdc1aa@gmail.com> <20161208114514.5tvuf644rr4yqtlq@fastmail.com> <421f2cd6-bda3-bd1b-cbe9-428d943c6cf1@gmail.com> <5849BB51.9030200@gmail.com> Reply-To: sox-users@lists.sourceforge.net NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6547750173126850406==" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1481229466 10344 195.159.176.226 (8 Dec 2016 20:37:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 20:37:46 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 To: sox-users@lists.sourceforge.net Original-X-From: sox-users-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net Thu Dec 08 21:37:41 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcas-sox-users@gmane.org Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 74.125.82.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.41; envelope-from=marcusfb@gmail.com; helo=mail-wm0-f41.google.com; X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=N7y6Pkf9p+Wdok2GGjbvTK36FUMhan7WBYnI2SdS2Cg=; b=UoG2djN9tgIOtQCMwrLUvsFRGvVD3WSUAybjpyGH0eee74WyWcSZYd1Kuk2UASsezx JCzS83QL3rV+FIbuxIkBNRx2kCthgQtZrm9Gbs0ivUoXu8pxPJ8q828HOvab/2Bmqc5T yljZBHOppbIjD44b89BZ7v2lTtzMxvGcWk3tQYerdSXZuBoIuKY2fK5//Pr7VqHbPO+6 eWnW2oaSk3C78R5BgmOBIzer/uJlZcw7q7CQbRqlooXbhYVQsqvYu2L7mRutktLP+4Ov VqBSfvasLwllzbPZkx4OHtePshyrj4KEht9ixS+UWQsbK2LkO4zs8orljONgA4u64ZO1 k2fg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC002LreTchdoY2MhYq5cHXSMPNILjYdw05T5Habs3dg+8oICvcQeDHLstyyOuwqqDA== X-Received: by 10.28.147.81 with SMTP id v78mr3961657wmd.60.1481229434599; Thu, 08 Dec 2016 12:37:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5849BB51.9030200@gmail.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 161208-3, 08/12/2016), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Headers-End: 1cF5RQ-0000qw-VN X-BeenThere: sox-users@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sox-users-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.audio.sox:6358 Archived-At: Received: from lists.sourceforge.net ([216.34.181.88]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cF5Rk-0001k5-II for gcas-sox-users@gmane.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2016 21:37:40 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1cF5RT-0001OR-Ut; Thu, 08 Dec 2016 20:37:23 +0000 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1cF5RS-0001OL-Ru for sox-users@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2016 20:37:22 +0000 Received: from mail-wm0-f41.google.com ([74.125.82.41]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1cF5RQ-0000qw-VN for sox-users@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2016 20:37:22 +0000 Received: by mail-wm0-f41.google.com with SMTP id f82so44186609wmf.1 for ; Thu, 08 Dec 2016 12:37:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([195.158.99.83]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bj1sm38838618wjc.17.2016.12.08.12.37.12 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 08 Dec 2016 12:37:13 -0800 (PST) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6547750173126850406== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B68008557965F74159F5A143" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B68008557965F74159F5A143 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I cannot give any more information on where the loops and markers are. They are created using audio software. It does not matter if SoX would not include features like these. I thought I'd make my perfectly legitimate request.... I tried. I'll just have to be patient and do the job manually. Thanks everyone for your interaction in trying to solve my difficulty. SoX was recommended to me by a friend with whom I create samplesets. I took up that recommendation but clearly this is not the software I need, Apologies for any inconvenience caused. At least I got as far as merging two files using a bat process. Re-creating loops and markers and checking each is as much of a task as the process at hand so might as well just get on with it. Best wishes to all, Mark On 08/12/2016 20:58, fmiser wrote: >>>> Dr. Mark Bugeja wrote: >>>> >>>> If Sox does not preserve loops and cues yet.... then please >>>> add that to the wish list. It would be very handy for several >>>> people doing serious digital sound processing. :-) > Keep in mind, SoX is used by a lot of us for a lot of > different tasks. The one task you are wanting to us it for > (joint two mono files into a stereo file) is a very tiny piece > of what SoX can do. >>> Peter wrote: >>> >>> I was thinking about the problem of markers in the file >>> headers when mixing files together, as Dr. Mark is trying to >>> do. What if the markers in the left channel and the right >>> channel are not completely identical? I think this is a more >>> complicated task than just copying input file markers to the >>> output file when mixing. >> Dr. wrote: >> They are *identical*... > In _your_ case, they are identical. But a SoX effect or > function can't be added just for _your_ case. At least, not > if it doesn't behave well for other cases. > >> ... and most probably created > So what should SoX do if it happens to be something other than > "most probably"? SoX is good partly because it does work so > predictably even when doing odd or unusual things. >> The separation must have been done after to accommodate >> for Hauptwerk software's special features. > Again - in your case. There is no guarantee, or even a high > probability, that other people and other files would be the > same situation. > > Something like "preserving loops and cues" has the potential for > being tricky for the reasons Peter wrote. Then, as Jeremy pointed > out, they may be in a sidecar file and not in the audio file > itself. > > Have you tested the stereo file you made using SoX? Are the > markers intact? If so, your situation is resolved. If not - > maybe there is a way to copy the info from one of the mono > files to the stereo file. > > But so far, I haven't seen from you what these "loops and > cues" are. You described how you use them - but is it in the > header? If so, where? 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I cannot give any more information on where the loops and markers are. They are created using audio software.

It does not matter if SoX would not include features like these. I thought I'd make my perfectly legitimate request.... I tried.

I'll just have to be patient and do the job manually.

Thanks everyone for your interaction in trying to solve my difficulty. SoX was recommended to me by a friend with whom I create samplesets. I took up that recommendation but clearly this is not the software I need,

Apologies for any inconvenience caused. At least I got as far as merging two files using a bat process. Re-creating loops and markers and checking each is as much of a task as the process at hand so might as well just get on with it.

Best wishes to all,

Mark


On 08/12/2016 20:58, fmiser wrote:
Dr. Mark Bugeja wrote:

If Sox does not preserve loops and cues yet.... then please
add that to the wish list. It would be very handy for several
people doing serious digital sound processing. :-)

Keep in mind, SoX is used by a lot of us for a lot of
different tasks.  The one task you are wanting to us it for
(joint two mono files into a stereo file) is a very tiny piece
of what SoX can do.

 Peter wrote:

I was thinking about the problem of markers in the file
headers when mixing files together, as Dr. Mark is trying to
do. What if the markers in the left channel and the right
channel are not completely identical? I think this is a more
complicated task than just copying input file markers to the
output file when mixing.


      

        
Dr. wrote:


      

      

      

        
They are *identical*...


      

      
In _your_ case, they are identical.  But a SoX effect or
function can't be added just for _your_ case.  At least, not
if it doesn't behave well for other cases.



      

        
... and most probably created


      

      
So what should SoX do if it happens to be something other than
"most probably"?  SoX is good partly because it does work so
predictably even when doing odd or unusual things.


      

        
The separation must have been done after to accommodate
for Hauptwerk software's special features.


      

      
Again - in your case.  There is no guarantee, or even a high
probability,  that other people and other files would be the
same situation.

Something like "preserving loops and cues" has the potential for
being tricky for the reasons Peter wrote.  Then, as Jeremy pointed
out, they may be in a sidecar file and not in the audio file
itself.

Have you tested the stereo file you made using SoX?  Are the
markers intact?  If so, your situation is resolved.  If not -
maybe there is a way to copy the info from one of the mono
files to the stereo file.

But so far, I haven't seen from you what these "loops and
cues" are.  You described how you use them - but is it in the
header?  If so, where?  If not the header, then where is it?
Is it in a sidecar file like Jeremy described?


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