[ sox-Feature Requests-3438368 ] dsd to pcm support

[ sox-Feature Requests-3438368 ] dsd to pcm support

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Feature Requests item #3438368, was opened at 2011-11-15 08:19
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Category: None
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Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Private: No
Submitted By: Jesus R (sonorejr)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: dsd to pcm support

Initial Comment:
Sebastian Gesemann wrote a c based code to convert dsd (dsdiff) to pcm at 24/352.4. I contacted Sebastian and request to be able to use and distribute the code he said sure. I can provide the exchange between us as needed. I then had a friend modify the code to parse the dsd data and make the same conversion without the header information. Can we add dsd to pcm support directly to SoX with this code? I can provide the code as needed.
Thanks
JR

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Comment By: terual (terual)
Date: 2012-10-10 02:15

Message:
Sebastian Gesemann release his DSD2PCM code under the simplified DSB
license here: https://code.google.com/p/dsd2pcm/

The license probably simplifies using his code. The first stage of his code
converts the raw DSD stream to 352.8 kHz PCM 32-bits floating-point and
this is probably the only part which should be used.

The most used fileformats which contain DSD streams are DSDIFF (see
http://www.sonicstudio.com/pdf/dsd/DSDIFF_1.5_Spec.pdf) which has the .dff
extension from Philips and the simpler DSF fileformat from Sony (see
http://www.dsd-format.sony.net/data/DSFFileFormatSpec_E.zip) which has a
.dsf extension.

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[ sox-Feature Requests-3438368 ] dsd to pcm support

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Feature Requests item #3438368, was opened at 2011-11-15 08:19
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Category: None
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Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Private: No
Submitted By: Jesus R (sonorejr)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: dsd to pcm support

Initial Comment:
Sebastian Gesemann wrote a c based code to convert dsd (dsdiff) to pcm at 24/352.4. I contacted Sebastian and request to be able to use and distribute the code he said sure. I can provide the exchange between us as needed. I then had a friend modify the code to parse the dsd data and make the same conversion without the header information. Can we add dsd to pcm support directly to SoX with this code? I can provide the code as needed.
Thanks
JR

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Comment By: robs (robs)
Date: 2012-10-10 04:23

Message:
> The first stage of his code converts the raw DSD stream to 352.8 kHz PCM
32-bits
> floating-point and this is probably the only part which should be used.

I don't think we need it: sox's existing downsampler should be sufficient
and may even be more efficient as it's FFT-based.

> The most used fileformats which contain DSD streams are DSDIFF...

Yes, so this is the main work that's needed, to write a reader for the
container files.  I'm not sure that it warrants the effort though (DSD
seems something of a failed experiment), but if someone wants to submit a
patch for it, I'm sure it could be added.

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Comment By: terual (terual)
Date: 2012-10-10 02:15

Message:
Sebastian Gesemann release his DSD2PCM code under the simplified DSB
license here: https://code.google.com/p/dsd2pcm/

The license probably simplifies using his code. The first stage of his code
converts the raw DSD stream to 352.8 kHz PCM 32-bits floating-point and
this is probably the only part which should be used.

The most used fileformats which contain DSD streams are DSDIFF (see
http://www.sonicstudio.com/pdf/dsd/DSDIFF_1.5_Spec.pdf) which has the .dff
extension from Philips and the simpler DSF fileformat from Sony (see
http://www.dsd-format.sony.net/data/DSFFileFormatSpec_E.zip) which has a
.dsf extension.

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[ sox-Feature Requests-3438368 ] dsd to pcm support

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Feature Requests item #3438368, was opened at 2011-11-15 08:19
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Private: No
Submitted By: Jesus R (sonorejr)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: dsd to pcm support

Initial Comment:
Sebastian Gesemann wrote a c based code to convert dsd (dsdiff) to pcm at 24/352.4. I contacted Sebastian and request to be able to use and distribute the code he said sure. I can provide the exchange between us as needed. I then had a friend modify the code to parse the dsd data and make the same conversion without the header information. Can we add dsd to pcm support directly to SoX with this code? I can provide the code as needed.
Thanks
JR

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Comment By: terual (terual)
Date: 2012-10-12 04:51

Message:
I have read on the sox-devel list that Ulrich Klauer was woking on DSDIFF
support. Could he comment on this feature request?

And if all that is neccesary to convert a 1-bit stream to PCM is already in
SoX, what would then be the command to convert a raw DSD stream to PCM?

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Comment By: robs (robs)
Date: 2012-10-10 04:23

Message:
> The first stage of his code converts the raw DSD stream to 352.8 kHz PCM
32-bits
> floating-point and this is probably the only part which should be used.

I don't think we need it: sox's existing downsampler should be sufficient
and may even be more efficient as it's FFT-based.

> The most used fileformats which contain DSD streams are DSDIFF...

Yes, so this is the main work that's needed, to write a reader for the
container files.  I'm not sure that it warrants the effort though (DSD
seems something of a failed experiment), but if someone wants to submit a
patch for it, I'm sure it could be added.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: terual (terual)
Date: 2012-10-10 02:15

Message:
Sebastian Gesemann release his DSD2PCM code under the simplified DSB
license here: https://code.google.com/p/dsd2pcm/

The license probably simplifies using his code. The first stage of his code
converts the raw DSD stream to 352.8 kHz PCM 32-bits floating-point and
this is probably the only part which should be used.

The most used fileformats which contain DSD streams are DSDIFF (see
http://www.sonicstudio.com/pdf/dsd/DSDIFF_1.5_Spec.pdf) which has the .dff
extension from Philips and the simpler DSF fileformat from Sony (see
http://www.dsd-format.sony.net/data/DSFFileFormatSpec_E.zip) which has a
.dsf extension.

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[ sox-Feature Requests-3438368 ] dsd to pcm support

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Feature Requests item #3438368, was opened at 2011-11-15 08:19
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Private: No
Submitted By: Jesus R (sonorejr)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: dsd to pcm support

Initial Comment:
Sebastian Gesemann wrote a c based code to convert dsd (dsdiff) to pcm at 24/352.4. I contacted Sebastian and request to be able to use and distribute the code he said sure. I can provide the exchange between us as needed. I then had a friend modify the code to parse the dsd data and make the same conversion without the header information. Can we add dsd to pcm support directly to SoX with this code? I can provide the code as needed.
Thanks
JR

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>Comment By: Jesus R (sonorejr)
Date: 2012-10-12 12:43

Message:
A lot has changed since my initial request. There is currently a USB format
named DoP that allows one to stream DSD to a external DAC from a computer.
This has prompted capable DACs to come to market in a very short time and
more to follow. DSD is not a failed format though, but rather a format
associated with a failed devilvery mechanizm named SACD. There is plenty of
high resolution content available on SACD and there is a vialble way to rip
SACD content to DSDIFF and or DSF. However, until more DSD DACs are
avalable the converter is needed to get the content down to usable
bit/sample rates. Anyway, back to the real issues. DSDIFF support would be
great and DSF support would be even better. DSF is now preferred because it
has support for id3 metadata.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: terual (terual)
Date: 2012-10-12 04:51

Message:
I have read on the sox-devel list that Ulrich Klauer was woking on DSDIFF
support. Could he comment on this feature request?

And if all that is neccesary to convert a 1-bit stream to PCM is already in
SoX, what would then be the command to convert a raw DSD stream to PCM?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: robs (robs)
Date: 2012-10-10 04:23

Message:
> The first stage of his code converts the raw DSD stream to 352.8 kHz PCM
32-bits
> floating-point and this is probably the only part which should be used.

I don't think we need it: sox's existing downsampler should be sufficient
and may even be more efficient as it's FFT-based.

> The most used fileformats which contain DSD streams are DSDIFF...

Yes, so this is the main work that's needed, to write a reader for the
container files.  I'm not sure that it warrants the effort though (DSD
seems something of a failed experiment), but if someone wants to submit a
patch for it, I'm sure it could be added.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: terual (terual)
Date: 2012-10-10 02:15

Message:
Sebastian Gesemann release his DSD2PCM code under the simplified DSB
license here: https://code.google.com/p/dsd2pcm/

The license probably simplifies using his code. The first stage of his code
converts the raw DSD stream to 352.8 kHz PCM 32-bits floating-point and
this is probably the only part which should be used.

The most used fileformats which contain DSD streams are DSDIFF (see
http://www.sonicstudio.com/pdf/dsd/DSDIFF_1.5_Spec.pdf) which has the .dff
extension from Philips and the simpler DSF fileformat from Sony (see
http://www.dsd-format.sony.net/data/DSFFileFormatSpec_E.zip) which has a
.dsf extension.

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[ sox-Feature Requests-3438368 ] dsd to pcm support

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Feature Requests item #3438368, was opened at 2011-11-15 08:19
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Private: No
Submitted By: Jesus R (sonorejr)
>Assigned to: Ulrich Klauer (uklauer)
Summary: dsd to pcm support

Initial Comment:
Sebastian Gesemann wrote a c based code to convert dsd (dsdiff) to pcm at 24/352.4. I contacted Sebastian and request to be able to use and distribute the code he said sure. I can provide the exchange between us as needed. I then had a friend modify the code to parse the dsd data and make the same conversion without the header information. Can we add dsd to pcm support directly to SoX with this code? I can provide the code as needed.
Thanks
JR

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>Comment By: Ulrich Klauer (uklauer)
Date: 2012-10-14 15:12

Message:
My proof-of-concept hack from, uh, slightly more than a year ago does
exactly what robs said, i.e. it reads each DSD bit as one sample (with a
sample rate of 2.8 MHz) and leaves it to the rate effect to do all
resampling, which works very well. It is also possible to use, e.g., the
spectrogram effect on the un-resampled DSD audio and see all that noise in
the higher frequency bands. :)

Unfortunately, I haven't found the time yet to continue working on a DSDIFF
(or DSF) parser, nor to tidy up the code for "raw" DSD reading to make it
suitable for release. I'll try to make at least the latter happen in the
next time.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Jesus R (sonorejr)
Date: 2012-10-12 12:43

Message:
A lot has changed since my initial request. There is currently a USB format
named DoP that allows one to stream DSD to a external DAC from a computer.
This has prompted capable DACs to come to market in a very short time and
more to follow. DSD is not a failed format though, but rather a format
associated with a failed devilvery mechanizm named SACD. There is plenty of
high resolution content available on SACD and there is a vialble way to rip
SACD content to DSDIFF and or DSF. However, until more DSD DACs are
avalable the converter is needed to get the content down to usable
bit/sample rates. Anyway, back to the real issues. DSDIFF support would be
great and DSF support would be even better. DSF is now preferred because it
has support for id3 metadata.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: terual (terual)
Date: 2012-10-12 04:51

Message:
I have read on the sox-devel list that Ulrich Klauer was woking on DSDIFF
support. Could he comment on this feature request?

And if all that is neccesary to convert a 1-bit stream to PCM is already in
SoX, what would then be the command to convert a raw DSD stream to PCM?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: robs (robs)
Date: 2012-10-10 04:23

Message:
> The first stage of his code converts the raw DSD stream to 352.8 kHz PCM
32-bits
> floating-point and this is probably the only part which should be used.

I don't think we need it: sox's existing downsampler should be sufficient
and may even be more efficient as it's FFT-based.

> The most used fileformats which contain DSD streams are DSDIFF...

Yes, so this is the main work that's needed, to write a reader for the
container files.  I'm not sure that it warrants the effort though (DSD
seems something of a failed experiment), but if someone wants to submit a
patch for it, I'm sure it could be added.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: terual (terual)
Date: 2012-10-10 02:15

Message:
Sebastian Gesemann release his DSD2PCM code under the simplified DSB
license here: https://code.google.com/p/dsd2pcm/

The license probably simplifies using his code. The first stage of his code
converts the raw DSD stream to 352.8 kHz PCM 32-bits floating-point and
this is probably the only part which should be used.

The most used fileformats which contain DSD streams are DSDIFF (see
http://www.sonicstudio.com/pdf/dsd/DSDIFF_1.5_Spec.pdf) which has the .dff
extension from Philips and the simpler DSF fileformat from Sony (see
http://www.dsd-format.sony.net/data/DSFFileFormatSpec_E.zip) which has a
.dsf extension.

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[ sox-Feature Requests-3438368 ] dsd to pcm support

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Feature Requests item #3438368, was opened at 2011-11-15 08:19
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Private: No
Submitted By: Jesus R (sonorejr)
Assigned to: Ulrich Klauer (uklauer)
Summary: dsd to pcm support

Initial Comment:
Sebastian Gesemann wrote a c based code to convert dsd (dsdiff) to pcm at 24/352.4. I contacted Sebastian and request to be able to use and distribute the code he said sure. I can provide the exchange between us as needed. I then had a friend modify the code to parse the dsd data and make the same conversion without the header information. Can we add dsd to pcm support directly to SoX with this code? I can provide the code as needed.
Thanks
JR

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>Comment By: Jesus R (sonorejr)
Date: 2012-10-14 17:25

Message:
I have some code that parses the DSD file. Do you want it? 

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Comment By: Ulrich Klauer (uklauer)
Date: 2012-10-14 15:12

Message:
My proof-of-concept hack from, uh, slightly more than a year ago does
exactly what robs said, i.e. it reads each DSD bit as one sample (with a
sample rate of 2.8 MHz) and leaves it to the rate effect to do all
resampling, which works very well. It is also possible to use, e.g., the
spectrogram effect on the un-resampled DSD audio and see all that noise in
the higher frequency bands. :)

Unfortunately, I haven't found the time yet to continue working on a DSDIFF
(or DSF) parser, nor to tidy up the code for "raw" DSD reading to make it
suitable for release. I'll try to make at least the latter happen in the
next time.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: Jesus R (sonorejr)
Date: 2012-10-12 12:43

Message:
A lot has changed since my initial request. There is currently a USB format
named DoP that allows one to stream DSD to a external DAC from a computer.
This has prompted capable DACs to come to market in a very short time and
more to follow. DSD is not a failed format though, but rather a format
associated with a failed devilvery mechanizm named SACD. There is plenty of
high resolution content available on SACD and there is a vialble way to rip
SACD content to DSDIFF and or DSF. However, until more DSD DACs are
avalable the converter is needed to get the content down to usable
bit/sample rates. Anyway, back to the real issues. DSDIFF support would be
great and DSF support would be even better. DSF is now preferred because it
has support for id3 metadata.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: terual (terual)
Date: 2012-10-12 04:51

Message:
I have read on the sox-devel list that Ulrich Klauer was woking on DSDIFF
support. Could he comment on this feature request?

And if all that is neccesary to convert a 1-bit stream to PCM is already in
SoX, what would then be the command to convert a raw DSD stream to PCM?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: robs (robs)
Date: 2012-10-10 04:23

Message:
> The first stage of his code converts the raw DSD stream to 352.8 kHz PCM
32-bits
> floating-point and this is probably the only part which should be used.

I don't think we need it: sox's existing downsampler should be sufficient
and may even be more efficient as it's FFT-based.

> The most used fileformats which contain DSD streams are DSDIFF...

Yes, so this is the main work that's needed, to write a reader for the
container files.  I'm not sure that it warrants the effort though (DSD
seems something of a failed experiment), but if someone wants to submit a
patch for it, I'm sure it could be added.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Comment By: terual (terual)
Date: 2012-10-10 02:15

Message:
Sebastian Gesemann release his DSD2PCM code under the simplified DSB
license here: https://code.google.com/p/dsd2pcm/

The license probably simplifies using his code. The first stage of his code
converts the raw DSD stream to 352.8 kHz PCM 32-bits floating-point and
this is probably the only part which should be used.

The most used fileformats which contain DSD streams are DSDIFF (see
http://www.sonicstudio.com/pdf/dsd/DSDIFF_1.5_Spec.pdf) which has the .dff
extension from Philips and the simpler DSF fileformat from Sony (see
http://www.dsd-format.sony.net/data/DSFFileFormatSpec_E.zip) which has a
.dsf extension.

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