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From: shyouhei@ruby-lang.org
To: ruby-core@ruby-lang.org
Subject: [ruby-core:100621] [Ruby master Feature#17288] Optimize __send__ call with a literal method name
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:32:55 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <redmine.journal-88254.20201028123254.482@ruby-lang.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: redmine.issue-17288.20201027083240.482@ruby-lang.org

Issue #17288 has been updated by shyouhei (Shyouhei Urabe).


Eregon (Benoit Daloze) wrote in #note-5:
> Here are the first 1000 .send() usages in gems:
> https://gist.github.com/eregon/21c8f14c478089c1a9295c21661583a9
> 420 of them use a literal Symbol for the first argument.

So? I don’t think we should follow that.  If people misunderstand what an OOPL is, we would better not confirm that.

> > Private methods shall not be called at the first place. Period.
> 
> It's not as simple, there are many cases where it's reasonable to call private methods.
> For instance things like `Module#{include,prepend,alias_method,define_method}` used to be private, and `Module#remove_const` still is.

They are/were private for reasons.  Private methods can be made public later, but that must have been done with really careful considerations by the author. Not by callee people.

> Some gems call their own private methods in tests, which seems fair enough.

Testing private methods! That itself has a bunch of discussions.

But even if we put those topics aside, do we want to optimise such tests? I feel that is very low-priority.

> shyouhei (Shyouhei Urabe) wrote in #note-2:
> > Not against the ability to write `obj.__send__(:method)`, but `obj.method` must be the preferable way and thus must be the fastest thing.
> 
> I would think nobody prefers `obj.__send__(:some_method)` to `obj.some_method` if `some_method` is public, so it seems a non-issue to me.
> And anyway `obj.some_method` would always be as fast or faster than `obj.__send__(:some_method)`, never slower (that would be a performance bug).

OK. So the point is wether we want people to call a private method or not. I’m still against that. Encapsulation is a very basic OO principle that Ruby employs. I want that be honoured.

The proposed patch is sending a wrong signal.

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Feature #17288: Optimize __send__ call with a literal method name
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/17288#change-88254

* Author: mrkn (Kenta Murata)
* Status: Open
* Priority: Normal
* Assignee: matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
----------------------------------------
I made a patch to optimize a `__send__` call with a literal method name.  This optimization replaces a `__send__` method call with a `send` instruction.  The patch is available in [this pull-request](https://github.com/ruby/ruby/pull/3707).

By this change, the redefined `__send__` method is no longer called when it is called by a literal method name.  I guess it is no problem because the following warning message is displayed for a long time.

    $ ruby -e 'def __send__; end'
    -e:1: warning: redefining `__send__' may cause serious problems

This change makes the optimized case x5~x6 faster.  The benchmark result is below:

```
$ make benchmark COMPARE_RUBY="../../ruby/build-o3/ruby" ITEM=vm_send.yml
(snip)
# Iteration per second (i/s)

|             |compare-ruby|built-ruby|
|:------------|-----------:|---------:|
|vm_send      |     18.536M|  113.778M|
|             |           -|     6.14x|
|vm_send_var  |     18.085M|   16.595M|
|             |       1.09x|         -|
```



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-10-28 12:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-27  8:32 [ruby-core:100597] [Ruby master Feature#17288] Optimize __send__ call with a literal method name muraken
2020-10-27 18:35 ` [ruby-core:100610] " eregontp
2020-10-28  8:25 ` [ruby-core:100616] " shyouhei
2020-10-28  8:34 ` [ruby-core:100617] " zverok.offline
2020-10-28  9:58 ` [ruby-core:100618] " shyouhei
2020-10-28 10:09 ` [ruby-core:100619] " eregontp
2020-10-28 12:32 ` shyouhei [this message]
2020-10-28 20:48 ` [ruby-core:100624] " marcandre-ruby-core
2020-10-28 20:59 ` [ruby-core:100625] " shevegen
2020-10-29  0:11 ` [ruby-core:100628] " shyouhei
2020-10-29  4:06 ` [ruby-core:100632] " marcandre-ruby-core
2020-10-29 20:12 ` [ruby-core:100660] " eregontp
2020-10-30  0:17 ` [ruby-core:100663] " shyouhei

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