[ruby-core:89243] [Ruby trunk Feature#15192] Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables

[ruby-core:89243] [Ruby trunk Feature#15192] Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables

[jjyruby]

Issue #15192 has been reported by jjyr (Jinyang Jiang).

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Feature #15192: Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/15192

* Author: jjyr (Jinyang Jiang)
* Status: Open
* Priority: Normal
* Assignee: 
* Target version: 
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Motivation:

Introduce a new syntax for convenient setup instance variables for objects.

The problem:

Currently, setup instance variables in Ruby is too verbose. 
Basically, we need to write the meaningless assigning code again and again to assign variables

``` ruby
class Person
  def initialize(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end
end


# we can use Struct to avoiding this

Person = Struct.new(:name, :age, :gender, :country, keyword_init: true)

# let's see a real-world case, which can't use Struct to describe an initializing process, from https://github.com/ciri-ethereum/ciri/blob/748985ccf7a620a2e480706a5a6b38f56409d487/lib/ciri/devp2p/server.rb#L54
# Because we want to do something more than just assigning instance variables

class Server
      def initialize(private_key:, protocol_manage:, bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     node_name: 'Ciri', tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', tcp_port: 33033)
        @private_key = private_key
        @node_name = node_name
        @bootstrap_nodes = bootstrap_nodes
        @protocol_manage = protocol_manage
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @tcp_host = tcp_host
        @tcp_port = tcp_port
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: bootstrap_nodes, private_key: private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end


# Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax for convenient setup

class Person
  # use @ prefix to describe instance variables.
  def initialize(@name:, @age:, @gender:, @country:)
  end

  # equal to
  def initialize2(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end

  # it should also work on position style arguments
  def initialize2(@name, @age, @gender, @country)
  end
end

# Our real-world case can be rewritten as below
class Server
      def initialize(@private_key:, @protocol_manage:, @bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     @node_name: 'Ciri', @tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', @tcp_port: 33033)
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: @bootstrap_nodes, private_key: @private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(@protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end

# consider to keep insistence, this "shortcut assigning" syntax should work for non-initialize methods
class Foo
  def bar(@still_works)
    p @still_works
  end
end
```



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[ruby-core:89244] [Ruby trunk Feature#15192] Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables

[shyouhei]

Issue #15192 has been updated by shyouhei (Shyouhei Urabe).


Matz thinks this is handy only when you write #initialize, which only is not worth adding a new syntax for methods in general.  Do you have any situations other than #initialize where this is useful?

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Feature #15192: Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/15192#change-74269

* Author: jjyr (Jinyang Jiang)
* Status: Open
* Priority: Normal
* Assignee: 
* Target version: 
----------------------------------------
Motivation:

Introduce a new syntax for convenient setup instance variables for objects.

The problem:

Currently, setup instance variables in Ruby is too verbose. 
Basically, we need to write the meaningless assigning code again and again to assign variables

``` ruby
class Person
  def initialize(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end
end


# we can use Struct to avoiding this

Person = Struct.new(:name, :age, :gender, :country, keyword_init: true)

# let's see a real-world case, which can't use Struct to describe an initializing process, from https://github.com/ciri-ethereum/ciri/blob/748985ccf7a620a2e480706a5a6b38f56409d487/lib/ciri/devp2p/server.rb#L54
# Because we want to do something more than just assigning instance variables

class Server
      def initialize(private_key:, protocol_manage:, bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     node_name: 'Ciri', tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', tcp_port: 33033)
        @private_key = private_key
        @node_name = node_name
        @bootstrap_nodes = bootstrap_nodes
        @protocol_manage = protocol_manage
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @tcp_host = tcp_host
        @tcp_port = tcp_port
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: bootstrap_nodes, private_key: private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end


# Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax for convenient setup

class Person
  # use @ prefix to describe instance variables.
  def initialize(@name:, @age:, @gender:, @country:)
  end

  # equal to
  def initialize2(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end

  # it should also work on position style arguments
  def initialize2(@name, @age, @gender, @country)
  end
end

# Our real-world case can be rewritten as below
class Server
      def initialize(@private_key:, @protocol_manage:, @bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     @node_name: 'Ciri', @tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', @tcp_port: 33033)
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: @bootstrap_nodes, private_key: @private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(@protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end

# consider to keep consistency, this "shortcut assigning" syntax should work for non-initialize methods
class Foo
  def bar(@still_works)
    p @still_works
  end
end
```



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[ruby-core:89245] [Ruby trunk Feature#15192] Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables

[shyouhei]

Issue #15192 has been updated by shyouhei (Shyouhei Urabe).


This isn't Matz's but my experience.  When "we want to do something more than just assigning instance variables", that "something" tends to include cancellation of creating new object -- maybe because we are returning a cached instance, or because we are raising an exception.  In order to properly handle such situations #initialize tends to be too late to "do something".  When I write a complex constructor that tends to happen inside of .new directly, and #initialize eventually becomes a series of instance variable assignments.  One of such example is: https://github.com/shyouhei/xmp2assert/blob/master/lib/xmp2assert/quasifile.rb

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Feature #15192: Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/15192#change-74270

* Author: jjyr (Jinyang Jiang)
* Status: Open
* Priority: Normal
* Assignee: 
* Target version: 
----------------------------------------
Motivation:

Introduce a new syntax for convenient setup instance variables for objects.

The problem:

Currently, setup instance variables in Ruby is too verbose. 
Basically, we need to write the meaningless assigning code again and again to assign variables

``` ruby
class Person
  def initialize(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end
end


# we can use Struct to avoiding this

Person = Struct.new(:name, :age, :gender, :country, keyword_init: true)

# let's see a real-world case, which can't use Struct to describe an initializing process, from https://github.com/ciri-ethereum/ciri/blob/748985ccf7a620a2e480706a5a6b38f56409d487/lib/ciri/devp2p/server.rb#L54
# Because we want to do something more than just assigning instance variables

class Server
      def initialize(private_key:, protocol_manage:, bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     node_name: 'Ciri', tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', tcp_port: 33033)
        @private_key = private_key
        @node_name = node_name
        @bootstrap_nodes = bootstrap_nodes
        @protocol_manage = protocol_manage
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @tcp_host = tcp_host
        @tcp_port = tcp_port
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: bootstrap_nodes, private_key: private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end


# Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax for convenient setup

class Person
  # use @ prefix to describe instance variables.
  def initialize(@name:, @age:, @gender:, @country:)
  end

  # equal to
  def initialize2(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end

  # it should also work on position style arguments
  def initialize2(@name, @age, @gender, @country)
  end
end

# Our real-world case can be rewritten as below
class Server
      def initialize(@private_key:, @protocol_manage:, @bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     @node_name: 'Ciri', @tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', @tcp_port: 33033)
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: @bootstrap_nodes, private_key: @private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(@protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end

# consider to keep consistency, this "shortcut assigning" syntax should work for non-initialize methods
class Foo
  def bar(@still_works)
    p @still_works
  end
end
```



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[ruby-core:89249] [Ruby trunk Feature#15192] Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables

[shevegen]

Issue #15192 has been updated by shevegen (Robert A. Heiler).


I personally tend to use (slower) setter-methods rather than initialization within
initialize() itself. Normally only for somewhat larger classes though; for small
classes that do not do much, I often don't bother writing setter methods.

So:

    def initialize(*i)
      reset # <- a method to setup the default state for the objects
      set_commandline_arguments(i) # <- and often keeping track of the commandline arguments passed in via ARGV
      # continue with the assignments via method calls, often in a method called run() that I like to use and call here
    end

Then again I don't think that my ruby code/style is very commonly used either. :)

I understand the shortcut idea behind the proposal, e. g. to get rid of some lines
of code. Personally I have no strong opinion either way since I can understand both
arguments but I think that aside from what shyouhei wrote, matz is also not too fond
of the syntax. In the discussion in the other thread he did not like the:

    def initialize(@foo, @bar)

notation. So I think the additional problem here is clarity of intent and consistency
through idiomatic ruby. People will also of course make use of it a lot and in this
case I am not entirely sure whether that change in particular would be very good,
just syntax-wise. (I also tend to watch crystal, which uses a syntax similar to this,
but crystal also diverged in some strange ways, in my opinion, syntax-wise - e. g
"abstract" classes or macros, which I find very strange.)

- You (or others) could try to re-evaluate the proposals at some later time in the
future since sometimes other parts of ruby or the usage may change (for example, see
the change that allows unicode used as a constant/name of classes, which was not 
possible before not that long ago).


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Feature #15192: Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/15192#change-74273

* Author: jjyr (Jinyang Jiang)
* Status: Open
* Priority: Normal
* Assignee: 
* Target version: 
----------------------------------------
Motivation:

Introduce a new syntax for convenient setup instance variables for objects.

The problem:

Currently, setup instance variables in Ruby is too verbose. 
Basically, we need to write the meaningless assigning code again and again to assign variables

``` ruby
class Person
  def initialize(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end
end


# we can use Struct to avoiding this

Person = Struct.new(:name, :age, :gender, :country, keyword_init: true)

# let's see a real-world case, which can't use Struct to describe an initializing process, from https://github.com/ciri-ethereum/ciri/blob/748985ccf7a620a2e480706a5a6b38f56409d487/lib/ciri/devp2p/server.rb#L54
# Because we want to do something more than just assigning instance variables

class Server
      def initialize(private_key:, protocol_manage:, bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     node_name: 'Ciri', tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', tcp_port: 33033)
        @private_key = private_key
        @node_name = node_name
        @bootstrap_nodes = bootstrap_nodes
        @protocol_manage = protocol_manage
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @tcp_host = tcp_host
        @tcp_port = tcp_port
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: bootstrap_nodes, private_key: private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end


# Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax for convenient setup

class Person
  # use @ prefix to describe instance variables.
  def initialize(@name:, @age:, @gender:, @country:)
  end

  # equal to
  def initialize2(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end

  # it should also work on position style arguments
  def initialize2(@name, @age, @gender, @country)
  end
end

# Our real-world case can be rewritten as below
class Server
      def initialize(@private_key:, @protocol_manage:, @bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     @node_name: 'Ciri', @tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', @tcp_port: 33033)
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: @bootstrap_nodes, private_key: @private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(@protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end

# consider to keep consistency, this "shortcut assigning" syntax should work for non-initialize methods
class Foo
  def bar(@still_works)
    p @still_works
  end
end
```



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[ruby-core:89255] [Ruby trunk Feature#15192] Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables

[ruby-core]

Issue #15192 has been updated by marcandre (Marc-Andre Lafortune).

Assignee set to matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto)

This has been requested a lot :-)

I still feel like it would be very practical, introduces no incompatibility, and is also very intuitive (at least to me). I feel that no Rubyist would have trouble learning what `def initialize(@something, @some_option: nil)` would mean; it would take about 5 seconds.

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Feature #15192: Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/15192#change-74283

* Author: jjyr (Jinyang Jiang)
* Status: Open
* Priority: Normal
* Assignee: matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
* Target version: 
----------------------------------------
Motivation:

Introduce a new syntax for convenient setup instance variables for objects.

The problem:

Currently, setup instance variables in Ruby is too verbose. 
Basically, we need to write the meaningless assigning code again and again to assign variables

``` ruby
class Person
  def initialize(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end
end


# we can use Struct to avoiding this

Person = Struct.new(:name, :age, :gender, :country, keyword_init: true)

# let's see a real-world case, which can't use Struct to describe an initializing process, from https://github.com/ciri-ethereum/ciri/blob/748985ccf7a620a2e480706a5a6b38f56409d487/lib/ciri/devp2p/server.rb#L54
# Because we want to do something more than just assigning instance variables

class Server
      def initialize(private_key:, protocol_manage:, bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     node_name: 'Ciri', tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', tcp_port: 33033)
        @private_key = private_key
        @node_name = node_name
        @bootstrap_nodes = bootstrap_nodes
        @protocol_manage = protocol_manage
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @tcp_host = tcp_host
        @tcp_port = tcp_port
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: bootstrap_nodes, private_key: private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end


# Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax for convenient setup

class Person
  # use @ prefix to describe instance variables.
  def initialize(@name:, @age:, @gender:, @country:)
  end

  # equal to
  def initialize2(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end

  # it should also work on position style arguments
  def initialize2(@name, @age, @gender, @country)
  end
end

# Our real-world case can be rewritten as below
class Server
      def initialize(@private_key:, @protocol_manage:, @bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     @node_name: 'Ciri', @tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', @tcp_port: 33033)
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: @bootstrap_nodes, private_key: @private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(@protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end

# consider to keep consistency, this "shortcut assigning" syntax should work for non-initialize methods
class Foo
  def bar(@still_works)
    p @still_works
  end
end
```



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[ruby-core:89256] [Ruby trunk Feature#15192] Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables

[mame]

Issue #15192 has been updated by mame (Yusuke Endoh).


At the previous deverlopers' meeting (Sep.), I brought #5825 up for discussion.  Matz said that he still dislikes this syntax.  (Personally I like it.)

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Feature #15192: Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/15192#change-74286

* Author: jjyr (Jinyang Jiang)
* Status: Open
* Priority: Normal
* Assignee: matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
* Target version: 
----------------------------------------
Motivation:

Introduce a new syntax for convenient setup instance variables for objects.

The problem:

Currently, setup instance variables in Ruby is too verbose. 
Basically, we need to write the meaningless assigning code again and again to assign variables

``` ruby
class Person
  def initialize(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end
end


# we can use Struct to avoiding this

Person = Struct.new(:name, :age, :gender, :country, keyword_init: true)

# let's see a real-world case, which can't use Struct to describe an initializing process, from https://github.com/ciri-ethereum/ciri/blob/748985ccf7a620a2e480706a5a6b38f56409d487/lib/ciri/devp2p/server.rb#L54
# Because we want to do something more than just assigning instance variables

class Server
      def initialize(private_key:, protocol_manage:, bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     node_name: 'Ciri', tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', tcp_port: 33033)
        @private_key = private_key
        @node_name = node_name
        @bootstrap_nodes = bootstrap_nodes
        @protocol_manage = protocol_manage
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @tcp_host = tcp_host
        @tcp_port = tcp_port
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: bootstrap_nodes, private_key: private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end


# Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax for convenient setup

class Person
  # use @ prefix to describe instance variables.
  def initialize(@name:, @age:, @gender:, @country:)
  end

  # equal to
  def initialize2(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end

  # it should also work on position style arguments
  def initialize2(@name, @age, @gender, @country)
  end
end

# Our real-world case can be rewritten as below
class Server
      def initialize(@private_key:, @protocol_manage:, @bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     @node_name: 'Ciri', @tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', @tcp_port: 33033)
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: @bootstrap_nodes, private_key: @private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(@protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end

# consider to keep consistency, this "shortcut assigning" syntax should work for non-initialize methods
class Foo
  def bar(@still_works)
    p @still_works
  end
end
```



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[ruby-core:89257] [Ruby trunk Feature#15192] Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables

[jjyruby]

Issue #15192 has been updated by jjyr (Jinyang Jiang).


I am surprised this syntax has been repeatedly requested and rejected since 7 years ago.

Write assigning code maybe is not a big problem to developers, but cause Ruby has Struct to solve the assigning problem, so at least it is a problem worth to solve.

But Struct is so limited, even default values require rewrite `initialize` method to implement.

IMO this syntax is useful and simple enough.

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Feature #15192: Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/15192#change-74287

* Author: jjyr (Jinyang Jiang)
* Status: Open
* Priority: Normal
* Assignee: matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
* Target version: 
----------------------------------------
Motivation:

Introduce a new syntax for convenient setup instance variables for objects.

The problem:

Currently, setup instance variables in Ruby is too verbose. 
Basically, we need to write the meaningless assigning code again and again to assign variables

``` ruby
class Person
  def initialize(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end
end


# we can use Struct to avoiding this

Person = Struct.new(:name, :age, :gender, :country, keyword_init: true)

# let's see a real-world case, which can't use Struct to describe an initializing process, from https://github.com/ciri-ethereum/ciri/blob/748985ccf7a620a2e480706a5a6b38f56409d487/lib/ciri/devp2p/server.rb#L54
# Because we want to do something more than just assigning instance variables

class Server
      def initialize(private_key:, protocol_manage:, bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     node_name: 'Ciri', tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', tcp_port: 33033)
        @private_key = private_key
        @node_name = node_name
        @bootstrap_nodes = bootstrap_nodes
        @protocol_manage = protocol_manage
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @tcp_host = tcp_host
        @tcp_port = tcp_port
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: bootstrap_nodes, private_key: private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end


# Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax for convenient setup

class Person
  # use @ prefix to describe instance variables.
  def initialize(@name:, @age:, @gender:, @country:)
  end

  # equal to
  def initialize2(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end

  # it should also work on position style arguments
  def initialize2(@name, @age, @gender, @country)
  end
end

# Our real-world case can be rewritten as below
class Server
      def initialize(@private_key:, @protocol_manage:, @bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     @node_name: 'Ciri', @tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', @tcp_port: 33033)
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: @bootstrap_nodes, private_key: @private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(@protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end

# consider to keep consistency, this "shortcut assigning" syntax should work for non-initialize methods
class Foo
  def bar(@still_works)
    p @still_works
  end
end
```



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[ruby-core:89262] [Ruby trunk Feature#15192] Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables

[matz]

Issue #15192 has been updated by matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto).


I still don't agree with the proposed syntax.
The option I can accept is something like (`as` is not the only option):
```
def initialize(name: as @name, age: as @age)
  ...
end
```

Matz.


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Feature #15192: Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/15192#change-74290

* Author: jjyr (Jinyang Jiang)
* Status: Open
* Priority: Normal
* Assignee: matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
* Target version: 
----------------------------------------
Motivation:

Introduce a new syntax for convenient setup instance variables for objects.

The problem:

Currently, setup instance variables in Ruby is too verbose. 
Basically, we need to write the meaningless assigning code again and again to assign variables

``` ruby
class Person
  def initialize(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end
end


# we can use Struct to avoiding this

Person = Struct.new(:name, :age, :gender, :country, keyword_init: true)

# let's see a real-world case, which can't use Struct to describe an initializing process, from https://github.com/ciri-ethereum/ciri/blob/748985ccf7a620a2e480706a5a6b38f56409d487/lib/ciri/devp2p/server.rb#L54
# Because we want to do something more than just assigning instance variables

class Server
      def initialize(private_key:, protocol_manage:, bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     node_name: 'Ciri', tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', tcp_port: 33033)
        @private_key = private_key
        @node_name = node_name
        @bootstrap_nodes = bootstrap_nodes
        @protocol_manage = protocol_manage
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @tcp_host = tcp_host
        @tcp_port = tcp_port
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: bootstrap_nodes, private_key: private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end


# Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax for convenient setup

class Person
  # use @ prefix to describe instance variables.
  def initialize(@name:, @age:, @gender:, @country:)
  end

  # equal to
  def initialize2(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end

  # it should also work on position style arguments
  def initialize2(@name, @age, @gender, @country)
  end
end

# Our real-world case can be rewritten as below
class Server
      def initialize(@private_key:, @protocol_manage:, @bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     @node_name: 'Ciri', @tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', @tcp_port: 33033)
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: @bootstrap_nodes, private_key: @private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(@protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end

# consider to keep consistency, this "shortcut assigning" syntax should work for non-initialize methods
class Foo
  def bar(@still_works)
    p @still_works
  end
end
```



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[ruby-core:89268] [Ruby trunk Feature#15192] Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables

[shevegen]

Issue #15192 has been updated by shevegen (Robert A. Heiler).


> marcandre wrote

> I feel that no Rubyist would have trouble learning what def
> initialize(@something, @some_option: nil) would mean; it would
> take about 5 seconds.

I think this is a bit difficult to say, because we can always reason that one small feature that
is added, is just one more tiny little baby step.

But say that you combine lots of baby steps ... all very simple on their own, but together they
add to the complexity or spaghetti design of a language. Like perhaps PHP. 

In Ruby we can also omit () in method definitions like:

    def initialize @a, @b: nil, @c: { cat: :tom }

I am not sure if this is an improvement. To me it does not seem very pretty. Of course I am biased since
I also prefer () in method definitions if they have arguments; although I think it is fine that ruby does
not mind omitting the (). For my brain, I like the () for visual separation. I am not sure I like the @foo
syntax that much on the left hand side. What about syntax like @a = @b? I mean, I assume we assign the
value of @b towards @a ... but ideally I'd prefer to not want to see syntax like that in method definitions;
or having to look closely for : { and @. May be a matter of personal preference too.

Once added, it would also be harder to remove the syntax again, in the sense of people who may like
syntax (like @@ class variables) so I am not entirely sure if it's a great idea. But I don't want to
be too discouraging since it is mostly just a difference of opinions.

Before I write too much, I'll finish by saying that I personally am not that fully convinced that it is
such a good idea to have the proposed feature associated with that particular syntax, even though it is
repeated every now and then (but so were ideas such as removing Symbols; I think jeremy evans wrote good
comments about that other situation). I am also not that convinced that a different syntax will be of
more help, either. Perhaps I am becoming more conservative as I become older. (One problem I see with
a longer syntax is that some of the advantage is lost by short-cutting assignment.)

On a side note, since crystal has that syntax and functionality, people could actually try out crystal and
see how that goes in regards to the "shortcut assignment" after a few months. :) (I mean really mostly
unbiased people here, though ideally those who already know ruby, even though that leads to some bias; and
can then compare to crystal, syntax-wise. Personally I feel that the ruby syntax is better than crystal's
syntax, due to various reason, but I don't want to digress here towards another programming language too
much.)

----------------------------------------
Feature #15192: Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/15192#change-74294

* Author: jjyr (Jinyang Jiang)
* Status: Open
* Priority: Normal
* Assignee: matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
* Target version: 
----------------------------------------
Motivation:

Introduce a new syntax for convenient setup instance variables for objects.

The problem:

Currently, setup instance variables in Ruby is too verbose. 
Basically, we need to write the meaningless assigning code again and again to assign variables

``` ruby
class Person
  def initialize(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end
end


# we can use Struct to avoiding this

Person = Struct.new(:name, :age, :gender, :country, keyword_init: true)

# let's see a real-world case, which can't use Struct to describe an initializing process, from https://github.com/ciri-ethereum/ciri/blob/748985ccf7a620a2e480706a5a6b38f56409d487/lib/ciri/devp2p/server.rb#L54
# Because we want to do something more than just assigning instance variables

class Server
      def initialize(private_key:, protocol_manage:, bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     node_name: 'Ciri', tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', tcp_port: 33033)
        @private_key = private_key
        @node_name = node_name
        @bootstrap_nodes = bootstrap_nodes
        @protocol_manage = protocol_manage
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @tcp_host = tcp_host
        @tcp_port = tcp_port
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: bootstrap_nodes, private_key: private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end


# Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax for convenient setup

class Person
  # use @ prefix to describe instance variables.
  def initialize(@name:, @age:, @gender:, @country:)
  end

  # equal to
  def initialize2(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end

  # it should also work on position style arguments
  def initialize2(@name, @age, @gender, @country)
  end
end

# Our real-world case can be rewritten as below
class Server
      def initialize(@private_key:, @protocol_manage:, @bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     @node_name: 'Ciri', @tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', @tcp_port: 33033)
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: @bootstrap_nodes, private_key: @private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(@protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end

# consider to keep consistency, this "shortcut assigning" syntax should work for non-initialize methods
class Foo
  def bar(@still_works)
    p @still_works
  end
end
```



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[ruby-core:90922] [Ruby trunk Feature#15192] Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables

[justin]

Issue #15192 has been updated by jsc (Justin Collins).


jjyr (Jinyang Jiang) wrote:
> I am surprised this syntax has been repeatedly requested and rejected since 7 years ago.
> 
> Write assigning code maybe is not a big problem to developers, but cause Ruby has Struct to solve the assigning problem, so at least it is a problem worth to solve.
> 
> But Struct is so limited, even default values require rewrite `initialize` method to implement.
> 
> IMO this syntax is useful and simple enough.

As someone who has been writing Ruby for over 10 years, this syntax is exactly that I would like.

I grow really tired of writing

~~~
def initialize(a, b, c)
  @a = a
  @b = b
  @c = c
end
~~~

This would be perfect:
~~~
def initialize(@a, @b, @c)
end
~~~

I'm a little bit sad Matz is against this syntax, as it seems so natural to me.

----------------------------------------
Feature #15192: Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/15192#change-76115

* Author: jjyr (Jinyang Jiang)
* Status: Open
* Priority: Normal
* Assignee: matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
* Target version: 
----------------------------------------
Motivation:

Introduce a new syntax for convenient setup instance variables for objects.

The problem:

Currently, setup instance variables in Ruby is too verbose. 
Basically, we need to write the meaningless assigning code again and again to assign variables

``` ruby
class Person
  def initialize(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end
end


# we can use Struct to avoiding this

Person = Struct.new(:name, :age, :gender, :country, keyword_init: true)

# let's see a real-world case, which can't use Struct to describe an initializing process, from https://github.com/ciri-ethereum/ciri/blob/748985ccf7a620a2e480706a5a6b38f56409d487/lib/ciri/devp2p/server.rb#L54
# Because we want to do something more than just assigning instance variables

class Server
      def initialize(private_key:, protocol_manage:, bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     node_name: 'Ciri', tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', tcp_port: 33033)
        @private_key = private_key
        @node_name = node_name
        @bootstrap_nodes = bootstrap_nodes
        @protocol_manage = protocol_manage
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @tcp_host = tcp_host
        @tcp_port = tcp_port
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: bootstrap_nodes, private_key: private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end


# Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax for convenient setup

class Person
  # use @ prefix to describe instance variables.
  def initialize(@name:, @age:, @gender:, @country:)
  end

  # equal to
  def initialize2(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end

  # it should also work on position style arguments
  def initialize2(@name, @age, @gender, @country)
  end
end

# Our real-world case can be rewritten as below
class Server
      def initialize(@private_key:, @protocol_manage:, @bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     @node_name: 'Ciri', @tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', @tcp_port: 33033)
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: @bootstrap_nodes, private_key: @private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(@protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end

# consider to keep consistency, this "shortcut assigning" syntax should work for non-initialize methods
class Foo
  def bar(@still_works)
    p @still_works
  end
end
```



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[ruby-core:94263] [Ruby master Feature#15192] Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables

[daniel]

Issue #15192 has been updated by Dan0042 (Daniel DeLorme).


Instead of an entirely new syntax maybe something like this would be good enough?

```ruby
def set_ivars_from_locals(binding)
  names = binding.local_variables
  values = eval("["+names.join(",")+"]", binding)
  names.zip(values) do |name,value|
    instance_variable_set("@#{name}", value)
  end
end

class A
  def initialize(a,b,c,d,e,f,g)
    set_ivars_from_locals(binding)
  end
end

A.new(1,2,3,4,5,6,7) #=> #<A:0x000055cb696ff010 @a=1, @b=2, @c=3, @d=4, @e=5, @f=6, @g=7>
```

----------------------------------------
Feature #15192: Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax to convenient setup instance variables
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/15192#change-80581

* Author: jjyr (Jinyang Jiang)
* Status: Open
* Priority: Normal
* Assignee: matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
* Target version: 
----------------------------------------
Motivation:

Introduce a new syntax for convenient setup instance variables for objects.

The problem:

Currently, setup instance variables in Ruby is too verbose. 
Basically, we need to write the meaningless assigning code again and again to assign variables

``` ruby
class Person
  def initialize(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end
end


# we can use Struct to avoiding this

Person = Struct.new(:name, :age, :gender, :country, keyword_init: true)

# let's see a real-world case, which can't use Struct to describe an initializing process, from https://github.com/ciri-ethereum/ciri/blob/748985ccf7a620a2e480706a5a6b38f56409d487/lib/ciri/devp2p/server.rb#L54
# Because we want to do something more than just assigning instance variables

class Server
      def initialize(private_key:, protocol_manage:, bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     node_name: 'Ciri', tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', tcp_port: 33033)
        @private_key = private_key
        @node_name = node_name
        @bootstrap_nodes = bootstrap_nodes
        @protocol_manage = protocol_manage
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @tcp_host = tcp_host
        @tcp_port = tcp_port
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: bootstrap_nodes, private_key: private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end


# Introduce a new "shortcut assigning" syntax for convenient setup

class Person
  # use @ prefix to describe instance variables.
  def initialize(@name:, @age:, @gender:, @country:)
  end

  # equal to
  def initialize2(name:, age:, gender:, country:)
    @name = name
    @age = age
    @gender = gender
    @country = country
  end

  # it should also work on position style arguments
  def initialize2(@name, @age, @gender, @country)
  end
end

# Our real-world case can be rewritten as below
class Server
      def initialize(@private_key:, @protocol_manage:, @bootstrap_nodes: [],
                     @node_name: 'Ciri', @tcp_host: '127.0.0.1', @tcp_port: 33033)
        server_node_id = NodeID.new(@private_key)
        caps = [Cap.new(name: 'eth', version: 63)]
        @handshake = ProtocolHandshake.new(version: BASE_PROTOCOL_VERSION, name: @node_name, id: server_node_id.id, caps: caps)
        @dial = Dial.new(bootstrap_nodes: @bootstrap_nodes, private_key: @private_key, handshake: @handshake)
        @network_state = NetworkState.new(@protocol_manage)
        @dial_scheduler = DialScheduler.new(@network_state, @dial)
      end
end

# consider to keep consistency, this "shortcut assigning" syntax should work for non-initialize methods
class Foo
  def bar(@still_works)
    p @still_works
  end
end
```



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