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From: eregontp@gmail.com
To: ruby-core@ruby-lang.org
Subject: [ruby-core:91227] [Ruby trunk Feature#5653] "I strongly discourage the use of autoload in any standard libraries" (Re: autoload will be dead)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 10:55:39 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <redmine.journal-76472.20190123105537.5b667512667edc9a@ruby-lang.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: redmine.issue-5653.20111121172400@ruby-lang.org

Issue #5653 has been updated by Eregon (Benoit Daloze).


It would be good to have a definite choice on this thread, I'll add it to the developer meeting (#15546).
I think at the last RubyKaigi during the Q/Am it was becoming clear removing #autoload would be a huge breaking change and there are usages which cannot be replaced easily.
The ability to load code lazily is increasingly important with larger applications, so that if #autoload was removed, we'd need another easy way to achieve that to maintain reasonable boot times.

I think the observation that Rails uses autoload quite a bit is something worth consideration for this ticket, which I believe is what @rafaelfranca meant.

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Feature #5653: "I strongly discourage the use of autoload in any standard libraries" (Re: autoload will be dead)
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/5653#change-76472

* Author: matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
* Status: Assigned
* Priority: Normal
* Assignee: matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
* Target version: Next Major
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Hi,
 
Today, I talked with NaHi about enhancing const_missing to enable
autoload-like feature with nested modules.  But autoload itself has
fundamental flaw under multi-thread environment.  I should have remove
autoload when I added threads to the language (threads came a few
months after autoload).
 
So I hereby declare the future deprecation of autoload.  Ruby will
keep autoload for a while, since 2.0 should keep compatibility to 1.9.
But you don't expect it will survive further future, e.g. 3.0.
 
I strongly discourage the use of autoload in any standard libraries.
 
matz.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-01-23 10:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <redmine.issue-5653.20111121172400@ruby-lang.org>
2011-11-21  8:28 ` [ruby-core:41171] [ruby-trunk - Feature #5653] "I strongly discourage the use of autoload in any standard libraries" (Re: autoload will be dead) Hiroshi Nakamura
2011-11-21 19:51   ` [ruby-core:41179] " Aaron Patterson
2011-11-22  5:03     ` [ruby-core:41192] " Eric Hodel
2011-11-22  0:57 ` [ruby-core:41183] " jonathan rochkind
2011-11-22  1:25   ` [ruby-core:41184] " Yukihiro Matsumoto
2011-12-01  1:16 ` [ruby-core:41421] " Stephen Touset
2011-12-01  1:34 ` [ruby-core:41423] " Stephen Touset
2011-12-01  1:36 ` [ruby-core:41426] " Yehuda Katz
2011-12-01 14:14 ` [ruby-core:41432] " Stephen Touset
2012-03-27 15:33 ` [ruby-core:43755] [ruby-trunk - Feature #5653][Assigned] " mame (Yusuke Endoh)
2012-06-14 17:37 ` [ruby-core:45653] [ruby-trunk - Feature #5653] " trans (Thomas Sawyer)
2012-06-30 15:24 ` [ruby-core:45991] " nahi (Hiroshi Nakamura)
2012-06-30 16:35 ` [ruby-core:46000] " rosenfeld (Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas)
2012-06-30 22:23 ` [ruby-core:46023] " nahi (Hiroshi Nakamura)
2012-07-01 13:10 ` [ruby-core:46052] " rosenfeld (Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas)
2012-07-01 18:13 ` [ruby-core:46079] " mame (Yusuke Endoh)
2012-07-01 18:32 ` [ruby-core:46084] " trans (Thomas Sawyer)
2012-07-01 18:56 ` [ruby-core:46086] " funny_falcon (Yura Sokolov)
2012-07-03 13:53 ` [ruby-core:46142] " rosenfeld (Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas)
2012-11-23 23:36 ` [ruby-core:49910] " mame (Yusuke Endoh)
2013-02-12 13:38 ` [ruby-core:52154] " rosenfeld (Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas)
2013-02-17  6:17 ` [ruby-core:52353] " ko1 (Koichi Sasada)
2013-05-22  3:46 ` [ruby-core:55107] " reset (Jamie Winsor)
2013-06-24  8:49 ` [ruby-core:55629] " se8 (Sébastien Durand)
2013-08-31  9:17 ` [ruby-core:56929] " boris_stitnicky (Boris Stitnicky)
2014-01-30  6:16 ` [ruby-core:60263] " shibata.hiroshi
2015-04-07 12:40 ` [ruby-core:68780] [Ruby trunk " plribeiro3000
2019-01-21 17:57 ` [ruby-core:91213] [Ruby trunk Feature#5653] " rafaelmfranca
2019-01-23 10:19 ` [ruby-core:91224] " shyouhei
2019-01-23 10:55 ` eregontp [this message]
2019-01-23 13:39 ` [ruby-core:91228] " fxn
2019-01-24 10:19 ` [ruby-core:91247] " fxn
2019-01-28 16:22 ` [ruby-core:91307] " rr.rosas
2019-01-28 18:38 ` [ruby-core:91309] " rafaelmfranca
2019-02-03 23:01 ` [ruby-core:91388] " Greg.mpls
2019-02-05 14:27 ` [ruby-core:91411] " rr.rosas
2019-02-07  6:20 ` [ruby-core:91450] " matz
2019-02-07  7:02 ` [ruby-core:91455] " akr

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