[ruby-core:52701] [ruby-trunk - Feature #7914][Open] Case for local class methods

[ruby-core:52701] [ruby-trunk - Feature #7914][Open] Case for local class methods

[trans (Thomas Sawyer)]

Issue #7914 has been reported by trans (Thomas Sawyer).

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Feature #7914: Case for local class methods
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/7914

Author: trans (Thomas Sawyer)
Status: Open
Priority: Normal
Assignee: 
Category: core
Target version: 2.1.0


=begin
Here is a use case for local class methods.

Say we wish to give certain classes and all subclasses a special name.

  class X
    def self.special_name
      "special:#{name}"
    end
  end
  class Y < X; end
  class Z < Y; end

  Z.special_name  #=> "special:Z"

But what if Y has a unique special name?

  class Y < X
    def special_name
      'unique:Y'
    end
  end

Problem that arises:

    Z.special_name  #=> "unique:Y"  # wrong!

Currently, to solve this would require creating an additional method, e.g. `unique_name` and redefine `special_name` to first look for unique_name then fallback to default special name if non-found. It works, but adds additional complexity to API.

Nicer solution would be local class methods.

    class Y < X
      def special_name
        'unique:Y'
      end
      local :special_name
    end

    Y.special_name  #=> "unique:Y"
    Z.special_name  #=> "special:Z"

The idea being that local class methods are skipped in super/lookup chain.

This idea is not without precedence. Module class methods can be thought of as being local. So this idea has other side of the notion, that modules could have class methods that are not skipped over in the super/lookup chain. In that case we would need a term that means opposite of local, so I'll use `nonlocal`:

    module M
      def self.q; "q"; end
      nonlocal :q
    end

    class X
      include M
    end

    X.q  #=> "q"

=end



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[ruby-core:52710] [ruby-trunk - Feature #7914] Case for local class methods

[rosenfeld (Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas)]

Issue #7914 has been updated by rosenfeld (Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas).


This doesn't seem to be supported by any OO concept I've heard about and basically breaks the conceptual inheritance model in OO in my opinion. I wouldn't like to have to debug a code that behaved like this. It would make understanding an existent code base much harder in my opinion. Don't you think so?
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Feature #7914: Case for local class methods
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/7914#change-36797

Author: trans (Thomas Sawyer)
Status: Open
Priority: Normal
Assignee: 
Category: core
Target version: 2.1.0


=begin
Here is a use case for local class methods.

Say we wish to give certain classes and all subclasses a special name.

  class X
    def self.special_name
      "special:#{name}"
    end
  end
  class Y < X; end
  class Z < Y; end

  Z.special_name  #=> "special:Z"

But what if Y has a unique special name?

  class Y < X
    def special_name
      'unique:Y'
    end
  end

Problem that arises:

    Z.special_name  #=> "unique:Y"  # wrong!

Currently, to solve this would require creating an additional method, e.g. `unique_name` and redefine `special_name` to first look for unique_name then fallback to default special name if non-found. It works, but adds additional complexity to API.

Nicer solution would be local class methods.

    class Y < X
      def special_name
        'unique:Y'
      end
      local :special_name
    end

    Y.special_name  #=> "unique:Y"
    Z.special_name  #=> "special:Z"

The idea being that local class methods are skipped in super/lookup chain.

This idea is not without precedence. Module class methods can be thought of as being local. So this idea has other side of the notion, that modules could have class methods that are not skipped over in the super/lookup chain. In that case we would need a term that means opposite of local, so I'll use `nonlocal`:

    module M
      def self.q; "q"; end
      nonlocal :q
    end

    class X
      include M
    end

    X.q  #=> "q"

=end



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[ruby-core:52711] [ruby-trunk - Feature #7914] Case for local class methods

[rosenfeld (Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas)]

Issue #7914 has been updated by rosenfeld (Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas).


What about the code below?

  class Y < X
    def special_name
      self.class.name == 'Y' ? 'unique:Y' : super
    end
  end

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Feature #7914: Case for local class methods
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/7914#change-36798

Author: trans (Thomas Sawyer)
Status: Open
Priority: Normal
Assignee: 
Category: core
Target version: 2.1.0


=begin
Here is a use case for local class methods.

Say we wish to give certain classes and all subclasses a special name.

  class X
    def self.special_name
      "special:#{name}"
    end
  end
  class Y < X; end
  class Z < Y; end

  Z.special_name  #=> "special:Z"

But what if Y has a unique special name?

  class Y < X
    def special_name
      'unique:Y'
    end
  end

Problem that arises:

    Z.special_name  #=> "unique:Y"  # wrong!

Currently, to solve this would require creating an additional method, e.g. `unique_name` and redefine `special_name` to first look for unique_name then fallback to default special name if non-found. It works, but adds additional complexity to API.

Nicer solution would be local class methods.

    class Y < X
      def special_name
        'unique:Y'
      end
      local :special_name
    end

    Y.special_name  #=> "unique:Y"
    Z.special_name  #=> "special:Z"

The idea being that local class methods are skipped in super/lookup chain.

This idea is not without precedence. Module class methods can be thought of as being local. So this idea has other side of the notion, that modules could have class methods that are not skipped over in the super/lookup chain. In that case we would need a term that means opposite of local, so I'll use `nonlocal`:

    module M
      def self.q; "q"; end
      nonlocal :q
    end

    class X
      include M
    end

    X.q  #=> "q"

=end



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[ruby-core:52712] [ruby-trunk - Feature #7914] Case for local class methods

[rosenfeld (Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas)]

Issue #7914 has been updated by rosenfeld (Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas).


Maybe you could ask for some special method/keyword to know if the class is the same as the declared one (instead of some inheriting class):

  def special_name
    local_class? ? 'unique:Y' : super
  end

Or instead of "local_class" you could ask if it has been called as a "super" method:

  def special_name
    called_by_super? ? super : 'unique:Y'
  end

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Feature #7914: Case for local class methods
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/7914#change-36799

Author: trans (Thomas Sawyer)
Status: Open
Priority: Normal
Assignee: 
Category: core
Target version: 2.1.0


=begin
Here is a use case for local class methods.

Say we wish to give certain classes and all subclasses a special name.

  class X
    def self.special_name
      "special:#{name}"
    end
  end
  class Y < X; end
  class Z < Y; end

  Z.special_name  #=> "special:Z"

But what if Y has a unique special name?

  class Y < X
    def special_name
      'unique:Y'
    end
  end

Problem that arises:

    Z.special_name  #=> "unique:Y"  # wrong!

Currently, to solve this would require creating an additional method, e.g. `unique_name` and redefine `special_name` to first look for unique_name then fallback to default special name if non-found. It works, but adds additional complexity to API.

Nicer solution would be local class methods.

    class Y < X
      def special_name
        'unique:Y'
      end
      local :special_name
    end

    Y.special_name  #=> "unique:Y"
    Z.special_name  #=> "special:Z"

The idea being that local class methods are skipped in super/lookup chain.

This idea is not without precedence. Module class methods can be thought of as being local. So this idea has other side of the notion, that modules could have class methods that are not skipped over in the super/lookup chain. In that case we would need a term that means opposite of local, so I'll use `nonlocal`:

    module M
      def self.q; "q"; end
      nonlocal :q
    end

    class X
      include M
    end

    X.q  #=> "q"

=end



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[ruby-core:52713] [ruby-trunk - Feature #7914] Case for local class methods

[ko1 (Koichi Sasada)]

Issue #7914 has been updated by ko1 (Koichi Sasada).

Assignee set to matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
Target version changed from 2.1.0 to next minor

(I don't have any idea about this ticket. but I feel the name `local' recall perl)

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Feature #7914: Case for local class methods
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/7914#change-36800

Author: trans (Thomas Sawyer)
Status: Open
Priority: Normal
Assignee: matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
Category: core
Target version: next minor


=begin
Here is a use case for local class methods.

Say we wish to give certain classes and all subclasses a special name.

  class X
    def self.special_name
      "special:#{name}"
    end
  end
  class Y < X; end
  class Z < Y; end

  Z.special_name  #=> "special:Z"

But what if Y has a unique special name?

  class Y < X
    def special_name
      'unique:Y'
    end
  end

Problem that arises:

    Z.special_name  #=> "unique:Y"  # wrong!

Currently, to solve this would require creating an additional method, e.g. `unique_name` and redefine `special_name` to first look for unique_name then fallback to default special name if non-found. It works, but adds additional complexity to API.

Nicer solution would be local class methods.

    class Y < X
      def special_name
        'unique:Y'
      end
      local :special_name
    end

    Y.special_name  #=> "unique:Y"
    Z.special_name  #=> "special:Z"

The idea being that local class methods are skipped in super/lookup chain.

This idea is not without precedence. Module class methods can be thought of as being local. So this idea has other side of the notion, that modules could have class methods that are not skipped over in the super/lookup chain. In that case we would need a term that means opposite of local, so I'll use `nonlocal`:

    module M
      def self.q; "q"; end
      nonlocal :q
    end

    class X
      include M
    end

    X.q  #=> "q"

=end



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[ruby-core:52724] [ruby-trunk - Feature #7914] Case for local class methods

[nobu (Nobuyoshi Nakada)]

Issue #7914 has been updated by nobu (Nobuyoshi Nakada).


It seems trivial and usually avoidable.

I guess it could achieve with Module#using.

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Feature #7914: Case for local class methods
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/7914#change-36812

Author: trans (Thomas Sawyer)
Status: Open
Priority: Normal
Assignee: matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
Category: core
Target version: next minor


=begin
Here is a use case for local class methods.

Say we wish to give certain classes and all subclasses a special name.

  class X
    def self.special_name
      "special:#{name}"
    end
  end
  class Y < X; end
  class Z < Y; end

  Z.special_name  #=> "special:Z"

But what if Y has a unique special name?

  class Y < X
    def special_name
      'unique:Y'
    end
  end

Problem that arises:

    Z.special_name  #=> "unique:Y"  # wrong!

Currently, to solve this would require creating an additional method, e.g. `unique_name` and redefine `special_name` to first look for unique_name then fallback to default special name if non-found. It works, but adds additional complexity to API.

Nicer solution would be local class methods.

    class Y < X
      def special_name
        'unique:Y'
      end
      local :special_name
    end

    Y.special_name  #=> "unique:Y"
    Z.special_name  #=> "special:Z"

The idea being that local class methods are skipped in super/lookup chain.

This idea is not without precedence. Module class methods can be thought of as being local. So this idea has other side of the notion, that modules could have class methods that are not skipped over in the super/lookup chain. In that case we would need a term that means opposite of local, so I'll use `nonlocal`:

    module M
      def self.q; "q"; end
      nonlocal :q
    end

    class X
      include M
    end

    X.q  #=> "q"

=end



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[ruby-core:52733] [ruby-trunk - Feature #7914] Case for local class methods

[trans (Thomas Sawyer)]

Issue #7914 has been updated by trans (Thomas Sawyer).


@rosenfeld Maybe I approached this backwards. I just wanted to show one possible use case for supporting local vs. non-local class methods. Your in-method conditional solution works for this specific case, true. But how well does it translate to other cases? For instance, it would not work with anonymous classes. called_by_super is an interesting notion, but after some thought it feels like a make shift approach that only address part of the wider issue. The module non-local side of this is important too. And its use case is much more obvious --everywhere the included/ClassMethods hack is used.




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Feature #7914: Case for local class methods
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/7914#change-36827

Author: trans (Thomas Sawyer)
Status: Open
Priority: Normal
Assignee: matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
Category: core
Target version: next minor


=begin
Here is a use case for local class methods.

Say we wish to give certain classes and all subclasses a special name.

  class X
    def self.special_name
      "special:#{name}"
    end
  end
  class Y < X; end
  class Z < Y; end

  Z.special_name  #=> "special:Z"

But what if Y has a unique special name?

  class Y < X
    def special_name
      'unique:Y'
    end
  end

Problem that arises:

    Z.special_name  #=> "unique:Y"  # wrong!

Currently, to solve this would require creating an additional method, e.g. `unique_name` and redefine `special_name` to first look for unique_name then fallback to default special name if non-found. It works, but adds additional complexity to API.

Nicer solution would be local class methods.

    class Y < X
      def special_name
        'unique:Y'
      end
      local :special_name
    end

    Y.special_name  #=> "unique:Y"
    Z.special_name  #=> "special:Z"

The idea being that local class methods are skipped in super/lookup chain.

This idea is not without precedence. Module class methods can be thought of as being local. So this idea has other side of the notion, that modules could have class methods that are not skipped over in the super/lookup chain. In that case we would need a term that means opposite of local, so I'll use `nonlocal`:

    module M
      def self.q; "q"; end
      nonlocal :q
    end

    class X
      include M
    end

    X.q  #=> "q"

=end



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[ruby-core:52746] Re: [ruby-trunk - Feature #7914] Case for local class methods

[Юрий Соколов]

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Thomas Sawyer, you are the language troll, IMHO.

(But, maybe I'm too)

Everyone else, excuse me for not being polite.
23.02.2013 12:17 пользователь "trans (Thomas Sawyer)" <transfire@gmail.com>
написал:

>
> Issue #7914 has been updated by trans (Thomas Sawyer).
>
>
> @rosenfeld Maybe I approached this backwards. I just wanted to show one
> possible use case for supporting local vs. non-local class methods. Your
> in-method conditional solution works for this specific case, true. But how
> well does it translate to other cases? For instance, it would not work with
> anonymous classes. called_by_super is an interesting notion, but after some
> thought it feels like a make shift approach that only address part of the
> wider issue. The module non-local side of this is important too. And its
> use case is much more obvious --everywhere the included/ClassMethods hack
> is used.
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
> Feature #7914: Case for local class methods
> https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/7914#change-36827
>
> Author: trans (Thomas Sawyer)
> Status: Open
> Priority: Normal
> Assignee: matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto)
> Category: core
> Target version: next minor
>
>
> =begin
> Here is a use case for local class methods.
>
> Say we wish to give certain classes and all subclasses a special name.
>
>   class X
>     def self.special_name
>       "special:#{name}"
>     end
>   end
>   class Y < X; end
>   class Z < Y; end
>
>   Z.special_name  #=> "special:Z"
>
> But what if Y has a unique special name?
>
>   class Y < X
>     def special_name
>       'unique:Y'
>     end
>   end
>
> Problem that arises:
>
>     Z.special_name  #=> "unique:Y"  # wrong!
>
> Currently, to solve this would require creating an additional method, e.g.
> `unique_name` and redefine `special_name` to first look for unique_name
> then fallback to default special name if non-found. It works, but adds
> additional complexity to API.
>
> Nicer solution would be local class methods.
>
>     class Y < X
>       def special_name
>         'unique:Y'
>       end
>       local :special_name
>     end
>
>     Y.special_name  #=> "unique:Y"
>     Z.special_name  #=> "special:Z"
>
> The idea being that local class methods are skipped in super/lookup chain.
>
> This idea is not without precedence. Module class methods can be thought
> of as being local. So this idea has other side of the notion, that modules
> could have class methods that are not skipped over in the super/lookup
> chain. In that case we would need a term that means opposite of local, so
> I'll use `nonlocal`:
>
>     module M
>       def self.q; "q"; end
>       nonlocal :q
>     end
>
>     class X
>       include M
>     end
>
>     X.q  #=> "q"
>
> =end
>
>
>
> --
> http://bugs.ruby-lang.org/
>
>

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