[ruby-core:48191] [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[ruby-core:48191] [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Yusuke Endoh]

Japanese later; 日本語は後で

Hi all --

Today, I'd like to declare "feature freeze" according to the schedule [1].
2.0.0 will NOT include any feature that is not accepted yet by matz at
this time.

[1] http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/40301

Sorry for no prior announce of this.  If you, especially committers, have
any significant problem, please let me know by next Sunday.

In addition, I'm planning to release "feature preview" at the end of the
month.  Please tell me your opinion, ASAP.  I've heard that trunk is so
stable according to rubyci [2].  Let me know any feature that is already
accepted by matz but not implemented yet.

[2] http://rubyci.org/

We envision the first official release of 2.0 at Feb. 24, 2013, but the
concrete plan is not decided yet.  I'll announce it later on.
The possible next milestone is "code freeze".  I guess it will be near the
end of the year.  Be prepared.

Thanks,


みなさん、

本日、スケジュール [1] 通りに "feature freeze" を宣言したいと思います。
現時点で matz が承諾してない機能は 2.0.0 には含まれません。

[1] http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/40301

事前に連絡できなくてすみません。もし重大な問題があれば (特にコミッタの
方) 、次の日曜日までにご連絡ください。

また、月末に "feature preview" をリリースしたいと思っています。意見が
あればなるべく早めにください。rubyci [2] によると trunk は結構安定して
いると聞いています。matz に承認されてるけど未実装な機能があったら連絡
ください。

[2] http://rubyci.org/

2013 年 2 月 24 日に 2.0 の公式リリースを目指していますが、具体的な
プランは決っていません。後日連絡します。
ただし、おそらく次のマイルストーンは "code freeze" です。年末くらいに
なると思いますので、その心づもりでいてください。

よろしくお願いいたします。

-- 
Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>

[ruby-core:48192] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Luis Lavena]

2012/10/24 Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>:
> Japanese later; 日本語は後で
>
> Hi all --
>

Hello,

> Today, I'd like to declare "feature freeze" according to the schedule [1].
> 2.0.0 will NOT include any feature that is not accepted yet by matz at
> this time.
>
> [1] http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/40301
>
> Sorry for no prior announce of this.  If you, especially committers, have
> any significant problem, please let me know by next Sunday.
>

There are only two things I would like be considered:

Feature #6769, Windows-specific issues with rbinstall.rb to make it
more easy generation of stub scripts.

Got initial approval of the request but my patch for it hasn't been
completed yet. I'm working on it.

Bug #7158, performance improvements to require, $LOADED_FEATURES and $LOAD_PATH.

I heard sometimes that Ruby policies consider performance as a feature
and not a bug, but I believe this is a valid and urgent issue that
needs to be addressed.

More and more bigger Ruby applications are developed and startup cost
on production, not to mention during development affects how we enjoy
Ruby.

Thank you.

-- 
Luis Lavena
AREA 17
-
Perfection in design is achieved not when there is nothing more to add,
but rather when there is nothing more to take away.
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

[ruby-core:48195] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[SASADA Koichi]

(2012/10/24 20:53), Luis Lavena wrote:
> Bug #7158, performance improvements to require, $LOADED_FEATURES and $LOAD_PATH.

+1

-- 
// SASADA Koichi at atdot dot net

[ruby-core:48196] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Yusuke Endoh]

Hello Luis

2012/10/24 Luis Lavena <luislavena@gmail.com>:
> 2012/10/24 Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>:
>> Japanese later; 日本語は後で
>>
>> Hi all --
>>
>
> Hello,
>
>> Today, I'd like to declare "feature freeze" according to the schedule [1].
>> 2.0.0 will NOT include any feature that is not accepted yet by matz at
>> this time.
>>
>> [1] http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/40301
>>
>> Sorry for no prior announce of this.  If you, especially committers, have
>> any significant problem, please let me know by next Sunday.
>>
>
> There are only two things I would like be considered:
>
> Feature #6769, Windows-specific issues with rbinstall.rb to make it
> more easy generation of stub scripts.
>
> Got initial approval of the request but my patch for it hasn't been
> completed yet. I'm working on it.

It's okay if you have already gotton approval.
Please implement it by the code freeze.


> Bug #7158, performance improvements to require, $LOADED_FEATURES and $LOAD_PATH.
>
> I heard sometimes that Ruby policies consider performance as a feature
> and not a bug,

Really?  I think a performance improvement can be accepted even after
feature freeze if it has no semantic change.
That said, in terms of stability, I hesitate to accept a big patch as
close as to the release.

I asked ko1 to judge #7158.  He will reply to that ticket within the
week.


> but I believe this is a valid and urgent issue that
> needs to be addressed.
>
> More and more bigger Ruby applications are developed and startup cost
> on production, not to mention during development affects how we enjoy
> Ruby.

-- 
Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>

[ruby-core:48197] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas]

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Em 24-10-2012 09:39, Yusuke Endoh escreveu:
> Japanese later; 日本語は後で
>
> Hi all --
>
> Today, I'd like to declare "feature freeze" according to the schedule [1].
> 2.0.0 will NOT include any feature that is not accepted yet by matz at
> this time.
>
> [1] http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/40301
>
> Sorry for no prior announce of this.  If you, especially committers, have
> any significant problem, please let me know by next Sunday.
>
> In addition, I'm planning to release "feature preview" at the end of the
> month.  Please tell me your opinion, ASAP.  I've heard that trunk is so
> stable according to rubyci [2].  Let me know any feature that is already
> accepted by matz but not implemented yet.

https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/6265
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/4840

If I remember correctly, both were accepted by none has been implemented
yet. Is that correct?

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[ruby-core:48198] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Yusuke Endoh]

Hello Rodrigo,

#6265 was accepted.  We need a warning patch.  Will you create?

Matz has never accepted #4840, though he was indeed positive.
The discussion looks not concluded.
So 2.0.0 will NOT include that.  Sorry.


2012/10/24 Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas <rr.rosas@gmail.com>:
> Em 24-10-2012 09:39, Yusuke Endoh escreveu:
>
> Japanese later; 日本語は後で
>
> Hi all --
>
> Today, I'd like to declare "feature freeze" according to the schedule [1].
> 2.0.0 will NOT include any feature that is not accepted yet by matz at
> this time.
>
> [1] http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/40301
>
> Sorry for no prior announce of this.  If you, especially committers, have
> any significant problem, please let me know by next Sunday.
>
> In addition, I'm planning to release "feature preview" at the end of the
> month.  Please tell me your opinion, ASAP.  I've heard that trunk is so
> stable according to rubyci [2].  Let me know any feature that is already
> accepted by matz but not implemented yet.
>
>
> https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/6265
> https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/4840
>
> If I remember correctly, both were accepted by none has been implemented
> yet. Is that correct?



-- 
Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>

[ruby-core:48199] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas]

Em 24-10-2012 11:00, Yusuke Endoh escreveu:
> Hello Rodrigo,
>
> #6265 was accepted.  We need a warning patch.  Will you create?

I wish I was able to :) Never contributed to Ruby code before and given
my current deadlines I don't think I'll have time to work on this any
time soon. I'd probably need many days just to get started learning
about Ruby internals. Than I'd need to learn about the parser before I
could finally work on the feature itself. :(

I'd be very thankful if someone could implement it though :)

> Matz has never accepted #4840, though he was indeed positive.
> The discussion looks not concluded.
> So 2.0.0 will NOT include that.  Sorry.

No problem. From my point of view it seems like he has accepted the
feature but there are still some corner cases to be discussed before it
can be implemented :)

Thank you, Yusuke.

>
>
> 2012/10/24 Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas <rr.rosas@gmail.com>:
>> Em 24-10-2012 09:39, Yusuke Endoh escreveu:
>>
>> Japanese later; 日本語は後で
>>
>> Hi all --
>>
>> Today, I'd like to declare "feature freeze" according to the schedule [1].
>> 2.0.0 will NOT include any feature that is not accepted yet by matz at
>> this time.
>>
>> [1] http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/40301
>>
>> Sorry for no prior announce of this.  If you, especially committers, have
>> any significant problem, please let me know by next Sunday.
>>
>> In addition, I'm planning to release "feature preview" at the end of the
>> month.  Please tell me your opinion, ASAP.  I've heard that trunk is so
>> stable according to rubyci [2].  Let me know any feature that is already
>> accepted by matz but not implemented yet.
>>
>>
>> https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/6265
>> https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/4840
>>
>> If I remember correctly, both were accepted by none has been implemented
>> yet. Is that correct?
>
>

[ruby-core:48200] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Zachary Scott]

Hello,

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas
<rr.rosas@gmail.com> wrote:
>> #6265 was accepted.  We need a warning patch.  Will you create?

Endoh-san already created such a patch I believe,
http://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/6265#note-9

[ruby-core:48201] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[SASADA Koichi]

(2012/10/24 21:44), Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas wrote:
> 
> https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/6265
> https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/4840

I'm very happy if you add "title" which will helps us to remember old
memories :)

-- 
// SASADA Koichi at atdot dot net

[ruby-core:48202] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Yusuke Endoh]

2012/10/24 Zachary Scott <zachary@zacharyscott.net>:
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas
> <rr.rosas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> #6265 was accepted.  We need a warning patch.  Will you create?
>
> Endoh-san already created such a patch I believe,
> http://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/6265#note-9

Oops, thank you for letting me know :-)

-- 
Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>

[ruby-core:48204] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas]

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Em 24-10-2012 11:43, SASADA Koichi escreveu:
> (2012/10/24 21:44), Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas wrote:
>> https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/6265
>> https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/4840
> I'm very happy if you add "title" which will helps us to remember old
> memories :)

#6265 - Remove 'useless' 'concatenation' syntax
#4840 - Allow returning from require

I hope only the titles are enough for some people :) I usually don't
remember about issues just by the title, except when it was me who
created the issue ;)

Cheers

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[ruby-core:48206] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Charles Oliver Nutter]

Hello!

2012/10/24 Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>:
> Today, I'd like to declare "feature freeze" according to the schedule [1].
> 2.0.0 will NOT include any feature that is not accepted yet by matz at
> this time.
>
> [1] http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/40301
>
> Sorry for no prior announce of this.  If you, especially committers, have
> any significant problem, please let me know by next Sunday.
>
> In addition, I'm planning to release "feature preview" at the end of the
> month.  Please tell me your opinion, ASAP.  I've heard that trunk is so
> stable according to rubyci [2].  Let me know any feature that is already
> accepted by matz but not implemented yet.

Is there a preliminary list of features new to 2.0.0? The JRuby team
would like to target Ruby 2.0 as the sole execution mode for the next
JRuby release after 1.7. We have implemented parts of 2.0, but have
not kept up with developments over the last few months.

- Charlie

[ruby-core:48212] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Eric Hodel]

On Oct 24, 2012, at 4:39 AM, Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp> wrote:
> Japanese later; 日本語は後で
> 
> Hi all --
> 
> Today, I'd like to declare "feature freeze" according to the schedule [1].
> 2.0.0 will NOT include any feature that is not accepted yet by matz at
> this time.
> 
> [1] http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/40301
> 
> Sorry for no prior announce of this.  If you, especially committers, have
> any significant problem, please let me know by next Sunday.
> 
> In addition, I'm planning to release "feature preview" at the end of the
> month.  Please tell me your opinion, ASAP.  I've heard that trunk is so
> stable according to rubyci [2].  Let me know any feature that is already
> accepted by matz but not implemented yet.

I would like to update at least RDoc, Rake and RubyGems.  I would have them committed by end of November.

Is this acceptable?

[ruby-core:48218] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Yusuke Endoh]

2012/10/25, Charles Oliver Nutter <headius@headius.com>:
> Hello!
>
> 2012/10/24 Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>:
>> Today, I'd like to declare "feature freeze" according to the schedule
>> [1].
>> 2.0.0 will NOT include any feature that is not accepted yet by matz at
>> this time.
>>
>> [1] http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/40301
>>
>> Sorry for no prior announce of this.  If you, especially committers, have
>> any significant problem, please let me know by next Sunday.
>>
>> In addition, I'm planning to release "feature preview" at the end of the
>> month.  Please tell me your opinion, ASAP.  I've heard that trunk is so
>> stable according to rubyci [2].  Let me know any feature that is already
>> accepted by matz but not implemented yet.
>
> Is there a preliminary list of features new to 2.0.0? The JRuby team
> would like to target Ruby 2.0 as the sole execution mode for the next
> JRuby release after 1.7. We have implemented parts of 2.0, but have
> not kept up with developments over the last few months.


I also want the list :-)
I expect that almost all new features are listed in trunk/NEWS,
though I've heard that some features is still missing.

-- 
Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>

[ruby-core:48219] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Yusuke Endoh]

2012/10/25, Eric Hodel <drbrain@segment7.net>:
> On Oct 24, 2012, at 4:39 AM, Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp> wrote:
>> Japanese later; 日本語は後で
>>
>> Hi all --
>>
>> Today, I'd like to declare "feature freeze" according to the schedule
>> [1].
>> 2.0.0 will NOT include any feature that is not accepted yet by matz at
>> this time.
>>
>> [1] http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/40301
>>
>> Sorry for no prior announce of this.  If you, especially committers, have
>> any significant problem, please let me know by next Sunday.
>>
>> In addition, I'm planning to release "feature preview" at the end of the
>> month.  Please tell me your opinion, ASAP.  I've heard that trunk is so
>> stable according to rubyci [2].  Let me know any feature that is already
>> accepted by matz but not implemented yet.
>
> I would like to update at least RDoc, Rake and RubyGems.  I would have them
> committed by end of November.
>
> Is this acceptable?


All right.  But please do it ASAP and minimize the change.

Note that they (and all other new features) may be rejected/reverted
if they looks disturbing the release schedule, for example, because
of delay in the development, too unstable implementation, etc.

-- 
Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>

[ruby-core:48220] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Charles Oliver Nutter]

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp> wrote:
> I also want the list :-)
> I expect that almost all new features are listed in trunk/NEWS,
> though I've heard that some features is still missing.

Ok, I will start there and monitor ruby-core for updates. Thank you!

- Charlie

[ruby-core:48223] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Vít Ondruch]

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I am wondering what is the status of #5481 . Although the target version is
3.0, there is some ongoing effort such as #6875 and [1]. So will the StdLib
be gemified or not? If yes, will it be done properly, i.e. all the bundled
libraries such as Rake, Minitest, RDoc, Psych becomes real gems, since the
current status is suboptimal #6124


Vit



[1] https://github.com/rubygems/rubygems/pull/377


2012/10/24 Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>

> Japanese later; 日本語は後で
>
> Hi all --
>
> Today, I'd like to declare "feature freeze" according to the schedule [1].
> 2.0.0 will NOT include any feature that is not accepted yet by matz at
> this time.
>
> [1] http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/40301
>
> Sorry for no prior announce of this.  If you, especially committers, have
> any significant problem, please let me know by next Sunday.
>
> In addition, I'm planning to release "feature preview" at the end of the
> month.  Please tell me your opinion, ASAP.  I've heard that trunk is so
> stable according to rubyci [2].  Let me know any feature that is already
> accepted by matz but not implemented yet.
>
> [2] http://rubyci.org/
>
> We envision the first official release of 2.0 at Feb. 24, 2013, but the
> concrete plan is not decided yet.  I'll announce it later on.
> The possible next milestone is "code freeze".  I guess it will be near the
> end of the year.  Be prepared.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> みなさん、
>
> 本日、スケジュール [1] 通りに "feature freeze" を宣言したいと思います。
> 現時点で matz が承諾してない機能は 2.0.0 には含まれません。
>
> [1] http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/40301
>
> 事前に連絡できなくてすみません。もし重大な問題があれば (特にコミッタの
> 方) 、次の日曜日までにご連絡ください。
>
> また、月末に "feature preview" をリリースしたいと思っています。意見が
> あればなるべく早めにください。rubyci [2] によると trunk は結構安定して
> いると聞いています。matz に承認されてるけど未実装な機能があったら連絡
> ください。
>
> [2] http://rubyci.org/
>
> 2013 年 2 月 24 日に 2.0 の公式リリースを目指していますが、具体的な
> プランは決っていません。後日連絡します。
> ただし、おそらく次のマイルストーンは "code freeze" です。年末くらいに
> なると思いますので、その心づもりでいてください。
>
> よろしくお願いいたします。
>
> --
> Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>
>
>

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[ruby-core:48232] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Marco Ceresa]

2012/10/24 Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>:

> Hi all --
>
> Today, I'd like to declare "feature freeze" according to the schedule [1].
> 2.0.0 will NOT include any feature that is not accepted yet by matz at
> this time.
>
> [1] http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/40301
>
> Sorry for no prior announce of this.  If you, especially committers, have
> any significant problem, please let me know by next Sunday.

Hello Yusuke

Does that apply to the stdlib too? Or is it just for the core? What
about the proposal to gemify the stdlib?

I've raised the following feature request quite some time ago

https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/4569

but nothing has been done so far, I haven't received any feedback, and
now this 2.0 feature freeze announcement comes out of the blue (for me
at least).

[ruby-core:48268] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Yusuke Endoh]

Hello,

2012/10/25, Vit Ondruch <v.ondruch@gmail.com>:
> I am wondering what is the status of #5481 . Although the target version is
> 3.0, there is some ongoing effort such as #6875 and [1]. So will the StdLib
> be gemified or not?

The short answer is "no."

We discussed #5481 at the developers' meeting (Jul. 21), and
it was not accepted.  I'll add the brief log to that ticket.

-- 
Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>

[ruby-core:48272] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Yusuke Endoh]

Hello Marco,

2012/10/25, Marco Ceresa <ceresa@gmail.com>:
> Does that apply to the stdlib too?

Yes, in principle.


> What about the proposal to gemify the stdlib?

See my reply in #5481 and wait for NaHi.


> I've raised the following feature request quite some time ago
>
> https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/4569
>
> but nothing has been done so far, I haven't received any feedback, and
> now this 2.0 feature freeze announcement comes out of the blue (for me
> at least).

Sorry, but please do NOT assume that you can get a feedback
just by opening a feature request ticket.
All feature proposers are supposed to make an effort to get
related committers' interest and matz's approval.
You can exploit the opportunity such as [ruby-core:45474].
It is also a very good idea to appeal to matz face-to-face,
e.g., at some conferences.

(Note that this does not apply to bug report ticket.  The
committers must check and fix them.)

In short, you don't have to hesitate, or even you are
encouraged to open any feature request ticket, but it is
often insufficient.

-- 
Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>

[ruby-core:48275] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Marco Ceresa]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp> wrote:

>> but nothing has been done so far, I haven't received any feedback, and
>> now this 2.0 feature freeze announcement comes out of the blue (for me
>> at least).
>
> Sorry, but please do NOT assume that you can get a feedback
> just by opening a feature request ticket.
> All feature proposers are supposed to make an effort to get
> related committers' interest and matz's approval.

Thanks for your answer and your advices Yusuke.

I have written to mr. Knu (maintainer of IPAddr) multiple times, I
have interacted with Matz which was positive about the idea, I have
opened the ticket and even asked what I could do to help.

Next step was to be reported for stalking, but I have a family to take
care of and they don't let me code from prison :-)

> It is also a very good idea to appeal to matz face-to-face,
> e.g., at some conferences.

I've tried with a horse head in the bed, didn't work.

> In short, you don't have to hesitate, or even you are
> encouraged to open any feature request ticket, but it is
> often insufficient.

Got the message. I'll have to improve my determination from this point
of view. Thanks again for your adivces.

Now, my 2 cents: IPAddr should not be part of Ruby 2.0. It is too
outdated and too strangely behaving to be the default IP addresses
management library for a mainstream language such as Ruby. I know Ruby
doesn't exactly target to networking, but If you don't plan to replace
it with some other library (there are many) at least consider to just
not include it.

[ruby-core:48303] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[fujioka]

Hi,

In cgi.rb,
I think HTML5 tag generater will be include in 2.0

https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/6637

I will commit to update include this ticket while few days.

(2012/10/24 20:39), Yusuke Endoh wrote:
> Japanese later; 日本語は後で
> 
> Hi all --
> 
> Today, I'd like to declare "feature freeze" according to the schedule [1].
> 2.0.0 will NOT include any feature that is not accepted yet by matz at
> this time.
> 
> [1] http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/40301
> 
> Sorry for no prior announce of this.  If you, especially committers, have
> any significant problem, please let me know by next Sunday.
> 
> In addition, I'm planning to release "feature preview" at the end of the
> month.  Please tell me your opinion, ASAP.  I've heard that trunk is so
> stable according to rubyci [2].  Let me know any feature that is already
> accepted by matz but not implemented yet.
> 
> [2] http://rubyci.org/
> 
> We envision the first official release of 2.0 at Feb. 24, 2013, but the
> concrete plan is not decided yet.  I'll announce it later on.
> The possible next milestone is "code freeze".  I guess it will be near the
> end of the year.  Be prepared.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> みなさん、
> 
> 本日、スケジュール [1] 通りに "feature freeze" を宣言したいと思います。
> 現時点で matz が承諾してない機能は 2.0.0 には含まれません。
> 
> [1] http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/40301
> 
> 事前に連絡できなくてすみません。もし重大な問題があれば (特にコミッタの
> 方) 、次の日曜日までにご連絡ください。
> 
> また、月末に "feature preview" をリリースしたいと思っています。意見が
> あればなるべく早めにください。rubyci [2] によると trunk は結構安定して
> いると聞いています。matz に承認されてるけど未実装な機能があったら連絡
> ください。
> 
> [2] http://rubyci.org/
> 
> 2013 年 2 月 24 日に 2.0 の公式リリースを目指していますが、具体的な
> プランは決っていません。後日連絡します。
> ただし、おそらく次のマイルストーンは "code freeze" です。年末くらいに
> なると思いますので、その心づもりでいてください。
> 
> よろしくお願いいたします。
> 

[ruby-core:48402] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[SASADA Koichi]

Hi,

I checked all "not closed" features.

https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/projects/ruby-trunk/issues?c[]=tracker&c[]=status&c[]=priority&c[]=subject&c[]=assigned_to&c[]=updated_on&f[]=status_id&f[]=tracker_id&f[]=fixed_version_id&f[]=&group_by=&op[fixed_version_id]=%3D&op[status_id]=o&op[tracker_id]=%3D&page=1&set_filter=1&v[fixed_version_id][]=6&v[tracker_id][]=2

and I send notice with

- add comment (ping) on redmine
- assign to mame-san on redmine the ticket which I can't judge
- change target to next minor when it seems no discussion on it
- twitter to people who check twitter frequently
- skype to nobu
- IRC to nurse-san
- mail (akr-san and matz)

Please correct me if my changes are not correct.

Note that ~assigned to Matz" is almost equivalent to "ignored".
I think you need to make pressure to Matz (with good explanation, good
usecase, etc).

Thanks,
Koichi


(2012/10/24 20:39), Yusuke Endoh wrote:
> Japanese later; 日本語は後で
> 
> Hi all --
> 
> Today, I'd like to declare "feature freeze" according to the schedule [1].
> 2.0.0 will NOT include any feature that is not accepted yet by matz at
> this time.
> 
> [1] http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/40301
> 
> Sorry for no prior announce of this.  If you, especially committers, have
> any significant problem, please let me know by next Sunday.
> 
> In addition, I'm planning to release "feature preview" at the end of the
> month.  Please tell me your opinion, ASAP.  I've heard that trunk is so
> stable according to rubyci [2].  Let me know any feature that is already
> accepted by matz but not implemented yet.
> 
> [2] http://rubyci.org/
> 
> We envision the first official release of 2.0 at Feb. 24, 2013, but the
> concrete plan is not decided yet.  I'll announce it later on.
> The possible next milestone is "code freeze".  I guess it will be near the
> end of the year.  Be prepared.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> みなさん、
> 
> 本日、スケジュール [1] 通りに "feature freeze" を宣言したいと思います。
> 現時点で matz が承諾してない機能は 2.0.0 には含まれません。
> 
> [1] http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/40301
> 
> 事前に連絡できなくてすみません。もし重大な問題があれば (特にコミッタの
> 方) 、次の日曜日までにご連絡ください。
> 
> また、月末に "feature preview" をリリースしたいと思っています。意見が
> あればなるべく早めにください。rubyci [2] によると trunk は結構安定して
> いると聞いています。matz に承認されてるけど未実装な機能があったら連絡
> ください。
> 
> [2] http://rubyci.org/
> 
> 2013 年 2 月 24 日に 2.0 の公式リリースを目指していますが、具体的な
> プランは決っていません。後日連絡します。
> ただし、おそらく次のマイルストーンは "code freeze" です。年末くらいに
> なると思いますので、その心づもりでいてください。
> 
> よろしくお願いいたします。
> 


-- 
// SASADA Koichi at atdot dot net

[ruby-core:48414] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[SASADA Koichi]

I found that there are 183 not-closed features which are not specified
target version...

https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/projects/ruby-trunk/issues?set_filter=1&f[]=status_id&op[status_id]=o&f[]=tracker_id&op[tracker_id]=%3D&v[tracker_id][]=2&f[]=fixed_version_id&op[fixed_version_id]=!*&f[]=&c[]=tracker&c[]=status&c[]=priority&c[]=subject&c[]=assigned_to&c[]=updated_on&group_by=

I didn't check it.  Please set target version if you strongly believe it
should be introduce into 2.0.

Thanks,
Koichi


(2012/10/27 7:49), SASADA Koichi wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I checked all "not closed" features.
> 
> https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/projects/ruby-trunk/issues?c[]=tracker&c[]=status&c[]=priority&c[]=subject&c[]=assigned_to&c[]=updated_on&f[]=status_id&f[]=tracker_id&f[]=fixed_version_id&f[]=&group_by=&op[fixed_version_id]=%3D&op[status_id]=o&op[tracker_id]=%3D&page=1&set_filter=1&v[fixed_version_id][]=6&v[tracker_id][]=2
> 
> and I send notice with
> 
> - add comment (ping) on redmine
> - assign to mame-san on redmine the ticket which I can't judge
> - change target to next minor when it seems no discussion on it
> - twitter to people who check twitter frequently
> - skype to nobu
> - IRC to nurse-san
> - mail (akr-san and matz)
> 
> Please correct me if my changes are not correct.
> 
> Note that ~assigned to Matz" is almost equivalent to "ignored".
> I think you need to make pressure to Matz (with good explanation, good
> usecase, etc).
> 
> Thanks,
> Koichi
> 
> 
> (2012/10/24 20:39), Yusuke Endoh wrote:
>> Japanese later; 日本語は後で
>>
>> Hi all --
>>
>> Today, I'd like to declare "feature freeze" according to the schedule [1].
>> 2.0.0 will NOT include any feature that is not accepted yet by matz at
>> this time.
>>
>> [1] http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/40301
>>
>> Sorry for no prior announce of this.  If you, especially committers, have
>> any significant problem, please let me know by next Sunday.
>>
>> In addition, I'm planning to release "feature preview" at the end of the
>> month.  Please tell me your opinion, ASAP.  I've heard that trunk is so
>> stable according to rubyci [2].  Let me know any feature that is already
>> accepted by matz but not implemented yet.
>>
>> [2] http://rubyci.org/
>>
>> We envision the first official release of 2.0 at Feb. 24, 2013, but the
>> concrete plan is not decided yet.  I'll announce it later on.
>> The possible next milestone is "code freeze".  I guess it will be near the
>> end of the year.  Be prepared.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> みなさん、
>>
>> 本日、スケジュール [1] 通りに "feature freeze" を宣言したいと思います。
>> 現時点で matz が承諾してない機能は 2.0.0 には含まれません。
>>
>> [1] http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/40301
>>
>> 事前に連絡できなくてすみません。もし重大な問題があれば (特にコミッタの
>> 方) 、次の日曜日までにご連絡ください。
>>
>> また、月末に "feature preview" をリリースしたいと思っています。意見が
>> あればなるべく早めにください。rubyci [2] によると trunk は結構安定して
>> いると聞いています。matz に承認されてるけど未実装な機能があったら連絡
>> ください。
>>
>> [2] http://rubyci.org/
>>
>> 2013 年 2 月 24 日に 2.0 の公式リリースを目指していますが、具体的な
>> プランは決っていません。後日連絡します。
>> ただし、おそらく次のマイルストーンは "code freeze" です。年末くらいに
>> なると思いますので、その心づもりでいてください。
>>
>> よろしくお願いいたします。
>>
> 
> 


-- 
// SASADA Koichi at atdot dot net

[ruby-core:48478] Re: [ruby-dev:46258] [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Yutaka Hara]

Hello,

2012年10月24日 20:39 Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>:
> Let me know any feature that is already
> accepted by matz but not implemented yet.
>
As far as I'm concerned, these two tickets match the condition.

* Feature #6670: str.chars.last should be possible
* Feature #3346: __DIR__ revisted

-- 
Yutaka HARA

[ruby-core:48696] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[SASADA Koichi]

(2012/10/24 5:39), Yusuke Endoh wrote:
> Japanese later; 日本語は後で
> 
> Hi all --
> 
> Today, I'd like to declare "feature freeze" according to the schedule [1].
> 2.0.0 will NOT include any feature that is not accepted yet by matz at
> this time.
> 
> [1] http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/40301
> 
> Sorry for no prior announce of this.  If you, especially committers, have
> any significant problem, please let me know by next Sunday.

I will consider/chanabout the following 10 tickets.

http://bugs.ruby-lang.org/projects/ruby-trunk/issues?set_filter=1&f[]=status_id&op[status_id]=o&f[]=tracker_id&op[tracker_id]=%3D&v[tracker_id][]=2&f[]=assigned_to_id&op[assigned_to_id]=%3D&v[assigned_to_id][]=me&f[]=fixed_version_id&op[fixed_version_id]=%3D&v[fixed_version_id][]=6&f[]=&c[]=tracker&c[]=status&c[]=priority&c[]=subject&c[]=assigned_to&c[]=updated_on&group_by=

Sorry for my late response.

-- 
// SASADA Koichi at atdot dot net

[ruby-core:48701] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Yusuke Endoh]

Hello ko1,

2012/11/1 SASADA Koichi <ko1@atdot.net>:
> (2012/10/24 5:39), Yusuke Endoh wrote:
>> Sorry for no prior announce of this.  If you, especially committers, have
>> any significant problem, please let me know by next Sunday.
>
> I will consider/chanabout the following 10 tickets.

Thank you.

- I think that #6895, #7051, and #6762 are too heavy to include in 2.0.
  I'm reluctant.

- Did matz accepted the parameter setting features by environment variables
  (#4614 and #3187)?

- Matz looks negative to #6710.

- Adding only a document is okay.  (#3731)

- #1586 is already accepted.

- #2294 and #1952 looks okay, but please hurry to implement.
  If they prevent the release engineering, I will defer them to next minor.

I recognize #3731, #1586, #2294 and #1952 are accepted but unimplemented
2.0 features.

-- 
Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>

[ruby-core:48712] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Marc-Andre Lafortune]

Hi,

How about #6636?

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 6:09 AM, Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp> wrote:
> Hello ko1,
>
> 2012/11/1 SASADA Koichi <ko1@atdot.net>:
>> (2012/10/24 5:39), Yusuke Endoh wrote:
>>> Sorry for no prior announce of this.  If you, especially committers, have
>>> any significant problem, please let me know by next Sunday.
>>
>> I will consider/chanabout the following 10 tickets.
>
> Thank you.
>
> - I think that #6895, #7051, and #6762 are too heavy to include in 2.0.
>   I'm reluctant.
>
> - Did matz accepted the parameter setting features by environment variables
>   (#4614 and #3187)?
>
> - Matz looks negative to #6710.
>
> - Adding only a document is okay.  (#3731)
>
> - #1586 is already accepted.
>
> - #2294 and #1952 looks okay, but please hurry to implement.
>   If they prevent the release engineering, I will defer them to next minor.
>
> I recognize #3731, #1586, #2294 and #1952 are accepted but unimplemented
> 2.0 features.
>
> --
> Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>
>

[ruby-core:48713] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Yusuke Endoh]

AFAIK matz has not accepted #6636 completely yet.

2012/11/2 Marc-Andre Lafortune <ruby-core-mailing-list@marc-andre.ca>:
> Hi,
>
> How about #6636?
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 6:09 AM, Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp> wrote:
>> Hello ko1,
>>
>> 2012/11/1 SASADA Koichi <ko1@atdot.net>:
>>> (2012/10/24 5:39), Yusuke Endoh wrote:
>>>> Sorry for no prior announce of this.  If you, especially committers, have
>>>> any significant problem, please let me know by next Sunday.
>>>
>>> I will consider/chanabout the following 10 tickets.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> - I think that #6895, #7051, and #6762 are too heavy to include in 2.0.
>>   I'm reluctant.
>>
>> - Did matz accepted the parameter setting features by environment variables
>>   (#4614 and #3187)?
>>
>> - Matz looks negative to #6710.
>>
>> - Adding only a document is okay.  (#3731)
>>
>> - #1586 is already accepted.
>>
>> - #2294 and #1952 looks okay, but please hurry to implement.
>>   If they prevent the release engineering, I will defer them to next minor.
>>
>> I recognize #3731, #1586, #2294 and #1952 are accepted but unimplemented
>> 2.0 features.
>>
>> --
>> Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>
>>
>



-- 
Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>

[ruby-core:48797] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Clay Trump]

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Sorry, late to the party, but what's the status of #6679?

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[ruby-core:48798] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Юрий Соколов]

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What status of #6638 <https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/6638>

2012/11/3 Clay Trump <clay.trump@gmail.com>

> Sorry, late to the party, but what's the status of #6679?
>

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[ruby-core:48801] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Yusuke Endoh]

2012/11/3 Clay Trump <clay.trump@gmail.com>:
> Sorry, late to the party, but what's the status of #6679?

#6679 is already accepted, and is on the waiting for Naruse's implementation.
But if it is implemented by code freeze at the latest, I must postpone
that to Next Major.

-- 
Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>

[ruby-core:48802] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Yusuke Endoh]

2012/11/3 Юрий Соколов <funny.falcon@gmail.com>:
> What status of #6638

Up to nobu.
But my personal opinion is that it may be difficult to include that in
2.0.0.  Sorry.

-- 
Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>

[ruby-core:48807] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Jon]

> 2012/11/3 Юрий Соколов <funny.falcon@gmail.com>:
> > What status of #6638
> 
> Up to nobu.
> But my personal opinion is that it may be difficult to include that in
> 2.0.0.  Sorry.

Endoh-san, why (specifically) do you believe the patch would be difficult to include in 2.0.0?

I assume you're OK with patch application mechanics, but have concerns about something else?

Jon

[ruby-core:48829] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Yusuke Endoh]

2012/11/4 Jon <jon.forums@gmail.com>:
>> 2012/11/3 Юрий Соколов <funny.falcon@gmail.com>:
>> > What status of #6638
>>
>> Up to nobu.
>> But my personal opinion is that it may be difficult to include that in
>> 2.0.0.  Sorry.
>
> Endoh-san, why (specifically) do you believe the patch would be difficult to include in 2.0.0?

Just because it is technically advanced and not well-tested yet.
It often makes debugging hard for us to complicate basic data invariant.

But I'm not against if nobu applies the patch and if it causes no problem.
So press him to review and commit the patch.

-- 
Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp>

[ruby-core:48836] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Jon]

> 2012/11/4 Jon <jon.forums@gmail.com>:
> >> 2012/11/3 Юрий Соколов <funny.falcon@gmail.com>:
> >> > What status of #6638
> >>
> >> Up to nobu.
> >> But my personal opinion is that it may be difficult to include that in
> >> 2.0.0.  Sorry.
> >
> > Endoh-san, why (specifically) do you believe the patch would be difficult to include in 2.0.0?
> 
> Just because it is technically advanced and not well-tested yet.
> It often makes debugging hard for us to complicate basic data invariant.
> 
> But I'm not against if nobu applies the patch and if it causes no problem.
> So press him to review and commit the patch.


Understood. I just posted successful `make test` and `make test-all` results on trunk@37463 using win7 32bit and mingw-w64 gcc 4.7.2 and will try on my arch 3.6.5 vm w/4.7.2 when I see an updated trunk pushed to the github mirror. And if I'm feeling particularly flush with free time I may try it on my snow leopard vm.

nobu-san...any specific concerns or additional tests you'd like to see that are not already covered by trunk's test suite?

Jon

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[ruby-core:48861] Re: [ANN] 2.0.0 feature freeze

[Marc-Andre Lafortune]

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Hi,

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Yusuke Endoh <mame@tsg.ne.jp> wrote:
> AFAIK matz has not accepted #6636 completely yet.

Matz, would it be possible to update
#6636<http://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/6636>so that we know what, if
anything, is lacking so you accept completely the
feature? Even the tests are in there! ;-)

Thank you very much,

Marc-André

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